Ukraine crisis 2022-2023 affecting civilian aviation

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Homo Aeroportus wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 12:09
convair wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 12:03
Homo Aeroportus wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 10:48
AF117.gif

Back to the old days.

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Right, when a BRU-Tokyo via Anchorage in the summer was a day flight all along. And you were being served lunch non-stop as it was about noon during the whole flight. :D

And wasn't the Sabena crew based in ANC on TDY for one month?
memories, memories.

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Could be: ANC was midway on the line and, initially, these were weekly flights, flown on the good ole 707, and probably DC7 before that.

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convair wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 15:26
Homo Aeroportus wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 12:09
convair wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 12:03

Right, when a BRU-Tokyo via Anchorage in the summer was a day flight all along. And you were being served lunch non-stop as it was about noon during the whole flight. :D

And wasn't the Sabena crew based in ANC on TDY for one month?
memories, memories.

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Could be: ANC was midway on the line and, initially, these were weekly flights, flown on the good ole 707, and probably DC7 before that.
And by DC10 also.
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Canada closed also.
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Sadly the AN-225 'Mriya' has been destroyed. This has been rumoured for a few days now but this afternoon Dmytro Kuleba, Ukrains Minister of Foreign Affairs has confirmed the news!

https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status ... 0008547332

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Sweden, Spain, Denmark, Iceland, Luxemburg and Ireland closed.
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lumumba wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 11:32
Acid-drop wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 11:28 Airbridgecargo a/c arent registered in russia, i wonder how it will work for them
I think no plane from Russia will be allowed to fly from there.
Question is how you define a "plane from Russia." As Acid-drop pointed out, registration is not very useful. Even Aeroflot operates planes on non-Russian register.
Banning Russian airlines is more effective, but what of airlines owned by Russian shareholders and domiciled outside of Russia. Not unheard of, especially in the freight business. Should they be banned? What if they don't even fly to Russia on a regular basis?
lumumba wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 15:53 Canada closed also.
And with no notice at that. Closure effective immediately when the announcement was made. Aircraft already in the air allowed to complete their flight. Russian aircraft on the ground in Canada will surely be allowed to leave, but probably empty.

Also Spain closing. At this point an EU-wide ban is a foregone conclusion.

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Airbridgecargo 748 managed to land in LGG and to depart to ATL, but that might be the last for a while
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longwings wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 16:49 Question is how you define a "plane from Russia." As Acid-drop pointed out, registration is not very useful. Even Aeroflot operates planes on non-Russian register.
Banning Russian airlines is more effective, but what of airlines owned by Russian shareholders and domiciled outside of Russia. Not unheard of, especially in the freight business. Should they be banned? What if they don't even fly to Russia on a regular basis?
The European Union will ban "all Russian Air Carriers, any Russian registered aircraft and all non-russian aircraft owned or chartered by a Russian legal or neutral person from flying to, from and over the EU" .

So Russian airlines will also not be able to fly aircraft that are registered in other countries and Russians also will not be able to charter private jets or so.

Source: Adina Valean, European Commissioner for Transport

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rwandan-flyer wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 10:23 An Air France Triple 7 is flying from Seoul to Vancouver at the moment, with a 4-digit number which, is rarely used on long-haul flights. https://www.flightradar24.com/AFR6700/2af50614

I don't know if it's linked to the fact that the airline no longer wants to fly over Russia and therefore goes through Canada.

I make this remark because in the 70s-80s Korean Air flights to and from Paris stopped in Anchorage, I suppose to avoid flying over the USSR. This did not prevent 2 of their planes from being shot down by Soviet missiles.


Or it's just an AF cargo flight

There are currently 2 AF flights over Russia : https://www.flightradar24.com/AFR275/2af47ee1 & https://www.flightradar24.com/AFR291/2af4b583

Dongwon Seo💉💉@spotter_dongwonAir France Flight 117 from Shanghai to Paris via Seoul has been rerouted to Shanghai-Seoul-Vancouver-Paris in order to avoid Russian airspace. The flight number has also changed to AFR6700 as a result of the rerouting.
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Passenger wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 15:01 Aeroflot Moscow-Brussels: now returning to Moscow:
https://www.flightradar24.com/AFL2628/2af59249
Aeroflot Moscow-Paris: now returning to Moscow:
https://www.flightradar24.com/AFL2458/2af57d9a
The whole EU airspace is now closed:

https://www.aviation24.be/organisations ... -aircraft/
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Looks that the Aeroflot flight to JFK is returning to Moscow.
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It seems many jets are escaping indeed
(And allowed... somehow)
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Acid-drop wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 19:30 It seems many jets are escaping indeed
(And allowed... somehow)
I think they have to rush before midnight

But yeah

‘Poor’ Russians, trying to get out

Also show where they prefer to be

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ezis_bis wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 19:41
Acid-drop wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 19:30 It seems many jets are escaping indeed
(And allowed... somehow)
I think they have to rush before midnight
Probably some empty positioning flights of non Russian registered/owned aircraft as well, to avoid them being stuck in Russia.

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Aeroflot's VP-BAC (A320-200) is grounded at AMS, after a divertion Moscow-Dusseldorf:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vp-bac

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AerCap Holdings to cease leasing activity with Russian airlines in full compliance with all applicable sanctions against Russia. About 5% of its fleet by net book value was on lease to Russian airlines at the end of 2021.

BOC Aviation said most of its leases in Russia would now have to be terminated by 28 March 2022, as lessors are set to terminate hundreds of aircraft leases with Russian airlines following Western sanctions over the invasion of Ukraine that require the contracts be cancelled.

Pobeda to lose three B737-800s, as a foreign lessor recalled the aircraft.

https://www.aviation24.be/aircraft-leas ... ve-russia/

Ukraine International Airlines extends the suspension of flights due to the extension of the closure of Ukrainian airspace for civilian airspace users. UIA will not operate regular and charter flights to / from Ukraine until 23 March 2022.

Ukroboronprom says the AN225 Mriya was damaged during Russian strikes at the Hostomel airport near Kyiv. Ukroboronprom said the restoration would cost over US$3 billion and demands Russia pay for it.

UPS and FedEx have said they are halting delivery service to Russia and Ukraine in light of the Russian invasion of its neighbour.
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US lessor Aircastle intends to fully comply with all applicable sanctions against Russia, which will require the lessor to cease leasing activity with Russian airlines. As of 30 November 30, 2021, approximately 6% of the company’s fleet by net book value was on lease to Russian airlines.

American Airlines to cut ties with Russian airlines, suspending interline agreements it has with Aeroflot and S7 Airlines.

FL Technics from Lithuania has suspended deliveries of parts to Russian airlines due to sanctions against the Russian Federation. The company is also working with leasing companies to help them return aircraft leased by Russian carriers.

Lufthansa Technik has stopped servicing the equipment of Russian airlines since the end of last week, due to sanctions.

TUI Group told staff that any sanctions or restrictions against the travel company’s largest single shareholder, Russian billionaire Alexey Mordashov, will not have any lasting negative consequences on the company.

https://www.aviation24.be/tour-operator ... mordashov/

North Macedonia (not an EU member state) will close its airspace for all Russian aircraft except for humanitarian and emergency flights in line with EU recommendations.

Switzerland is likely to follow the EU in sanctioning Russia and freezing Russian assets in the Alpine country. This includes the closure of airspace for Russian airlines.
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Aeroflot is assessing the impact of Western sanctions on its leased planes and was asking EU regulators for clarity about the sanctions.

Airbus has stopped sending spare parts to Russia and supporting Russian airlines, but was analysing whether its Moscow engineering centre could keep providing services to local customers under Western sanctions.

Boeing is suspending parts, maintenance and technical support for Russian airlines as well as major operations in Moscow.

Japan Airlines and ANA All Nippon Airways are considering routes that avoid Russia, following security concerns stemming from its invasion of Ukraine.

Pobeda plans to protect aircraft from repossession by lessors within the legal framework. Only one aircraft is certain, referring to the B737 repossessed by a lessor at Istanbul Airport.

Wizz Air Holdings plans to evacuate its four aircraft out of Ukraine when it is safe to do so. The aggregate Ukraine/Russia impact was 2% fewer network flights in February 2022 than originally scheduled, and WIzz expects March to see an impact of 7% on the network.
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(post transferred from a wrong topic to the right one)

Rossiya flight from Moscow just landed at Sofia, avoiding Ukrainian airspace but overflying Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania.
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It operated using the same flight number as the daily SVO-SOF, though the last flight was on 25FEB.
An attempt was made yesterday with the same aircraft but she didn't take off from SVO.

Airfleets.net mentions this aircraft is leased.

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Embraer stated it will no longer provide parts to service the fleet of Russian airlines.

Japan Airlines and ANA All Nippon Airways to cancel all flights to and from Europe on 03 March 2021, citing safety concerns amid heavy fighting in Ukraine.

Lufthansa chief executive Carsten Spohr said routing flights to avoid Russian air space will increase costs for the German flagship carrier by a single-digit million-euro amount per month.
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