Ukraine crisis 2022-2023 affecting civilian aviation

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Re: Ukraine crisis 2022 affecting civilian aviation

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An Air France Triple 7 is flying from Seoul to Vancouver at the moment, with a 4-digit number which, is rarely used on long-haul flights. https://www.flightradar24.com/AFR6700/2af50614

I don't know if it's linked to the fact that the airline no longer wants to fly over Russia and therefore goes through Canada.

I make this remark because in the 70s-80s Korean Air flights to and from Paris stopped in Anchorage, I suppose to avoid flying over the USSR. This did not prevent 2 of their planes from being shot down by Soviet missiles.


Or it's just an AF cargo flight

There are currently 2 AF flights over Russia : https://www.flightradar24.com/AFR275/2af47ee1 & https://www.flightradar24.com/AFR291/2af4b583
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rwandan-flyer wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 10:22 At this moment: reciprocity embargos for:
Bulgaria
Czech Republic
Estonia
Latvia
Poland
Romania
Slovenia
United Kingdom

Reuters states that Finland "is preparing to close its airspace". Thus not closed yet.
Yes, this is also Information in Finnish media
Other Baltic countries closed airspace at midnight, I expect Finland to do the same.

It would make Kaliningrad difficult to reach

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rwandan-flyer wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 10:23 An Air France Triple 7 is flying from Seoul to Vancouver at the moment, with a 4-digit number which, is rarely used on long-haul flights. https://www.flightradar24.com/AFR6700/2af50614

I don't know if it's linked to the fact that the airline no longer wants to fly over Russia and therefore goes through Canada.

I make this remark because in the 70s-80s Korean Air flights to and from Paris stopped in Anchorage, I suppose to avoid flying over the USSR. This did not prevent 2 of their planes from being shot down by Soviet missiles.


Or it's just an AF cargo flight

There are currently 2 AF flights over Russia : https://www.flightradar24.com/AFR275/2af47ee1 & https://www.flightradar24.com/AFR291/2af4b583
You are spot on.
This AF3700 is operated by F-GZNQ which is passenger configured., OK it could be used as preighter but according to FR24 an AF117 was planned to leave ICN at 15:15 and has status unknown but "another" AF 777 left at the same time for YVR so I guess this is the re-routing.
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ezis_bis wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 10:36 ...
Other Baltic countries closed airspace at midnight, I expect Finland to do the same.
It would make Kaliningrad difficult to reach.
More difficult, but not impossible.
Normal flying time UT-389 (Moscow-Kalniningrad) is 1h40min. We'll soon know how much is added:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 9#2af51e3b

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Germany also is preparing to close it's air space.

So it will be

Germany.
Latvia
Estonia
Lithuania
Czech Republic
Poland
Romania
Finland
Bulgaria
United kingdom
Slovenia
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According to The Guardian, the EU will close the airspace in the next sanction package.

I have the impression many private jets are going west from Moscow, or am I seeing too much into it?

Edit, even Belgium closes airspace
https://twitter.com/alexanderdecroo/st ... t%3Asrcdoc
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While FIRs in the West request to remain 200nm clear of UA airspace, it seems the Russians impose to stay 500nm off the easternmost border of Ukraine.

This Pobeda from IST to Moscow spotted on Friday 25FEB.
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Belgium did the same closed!
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Airbridgecargo a/c arent registered in russia, i wonder how it will work for them
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Acid-drop wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 11:28 Airbridgecargo a/c arent registered in russia, i wonder how it will work for them
I think no plane from Russia will be allowed to fly from there.
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Homo Aeroportus wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 10:48
AF117.gif

Back to the old days.

H.A.
Right, when a BRU-Tokyo via Anchorage in the summer was a day flight all along. And you were being served lunch non-stop as it was about noon during the whole flight. :D

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convair wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 12:03
Homo Aeroportus wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 10:48
AF117.gif

Back to the old days.

H.A.
Right, when a BRU-Tokyo via Anchorage in the summer was a day flight all along. And you were being served lunch non-stop as it was about noon during the whole flight. :D

And wasn't the Sabena crew based in ANC on TDY for one month?
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The closure of Belgian airspace to Russian airlines heavily affects Liège airport, which regularly welcomes flights of AirBridgeCargo and Atran, subsidiaries of the Volga-Dnepr Group.
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Italy and The Nederlands closed there air space too.
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sn26567 wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 12:41 The closure of Belgian airspace to Russian airlines heavily affects Liège airport, which regularly welcomes flights of AirBridgeCargo and Atran, subsidiaries of the Volga-Dnepr Group.
This is war it will affect everyone of us!
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lumumba wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 12:44
sn26567 wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 12:41 The closure of Belgian airspace to Russian airlines heavily affects Liège airport, which regularly welcomes flights of AirBridgeCargo and Atran, subsidiaries of the Volga-Dnepr Group.
This is war it will affect everyone of us!
Then take sanctions that won't hurt yourself that much. Example: a ban for all international sport events and tournaments, like the UEFA championships. Putin will loose voters' support with such ban.

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Acid-drop wrote: 27 Feb 2022, 11:28 Airbridgecargo a/c arent registered in russia, i wonder how it will work for them
This one is now stuck
https://fr24.com/ABW793/
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Canadian and American airspace remain open ?

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France is closed.
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Aeroflot Moscow-Brussels: now returning to Moscow:
https://www.flightradar24.com/AFL2628/2af59249
Aeroflot Moscow-Paris: now returning to Moscow:
https://www.flightradar24.com/AFL2458/2af57d9a

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