TUI Aviation in 2022

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TUI Airways will commence a seasonal service between Manchester and Ohrid in summer 2023 beginning 31 May.

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Jordanian MRO company Joramco announces its first maintenance agreement on Boeing 787 Dreamliners operated by TUI Group, covering heavy maintenance checks.

[koninckske]

What is happening with TUI in Charleroi? This winter almost all flights and destinations cancelled or a very limited schedule. And for next summer same story...

[sn26567]

What is happening with TUI in Charleroi? This winter almost all flights and destinations cancelled or a very limited schedule. And for next summer same story...

A result of the strike by security personnel?

[Lux_avi]

What is happening with TUI in Charleroi? This winter almost all flights and destinations cancelled or a very limited schedule. And for next summer same story...

A result of the strike by security personnel?

Of course... not.

[Lux_avi]

What is happening with TUI in Charleroi? This winter almost all flights and destinations cancelled or a very limited schedule. And for next summer same story...

Do you already have an idea of the schedule from CRL next summer?

[koninckske]

What is happening with TUI in Charleroi? This winter almost all flights and destinations cancelled or a very limited schedule. And for next summer same story...

Do you already have an idea of the schedule from CRL next summer?

Have a look on their website... many flights on sale for next summer. More probably to be released, but after December all Spanish destinations seem to have been cancelled and they are on sale from other airports (ANR, BRU, OST and LGG). They were on sale before.

[Passenger]

At this very moment, some 300 passengers from TUI Belgium TB-111 on 30th October (B787-8 OO-LOE) Varadero-Cancun-Brussels are still blocked in their hotel in Cuba or in Mexico. Reason: the TUI Dreamliner OO-LOE is AOG (technical) at VRA, and TUI Belgium seems to prefer to keep them waiting till the aircraft is fixed.

See av24.be on 31st Oct:
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/tui- ... cal-issue/
update HLN.be 1st Nov:
https://www.hln.be/buitenland/passagier ... aa0f39e5c/

[Passenger]

At this very moment, some 300 passengers from TUI Belgium TB-111 on 30th October (B787-8 OO-LOE) Varadero-Cancun-Brussels are still blocked in their hotel in Cuba or in Mexico. Reason: the TUI Dreamliner OO-LOE is AOG (technical) at VRA, and TUI Belgium seems to prefer to keep them waiting till the aircraft is fixed.

See av24.be on 31st Oct:
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/tui- ... cal-issue/
update HLN.be 1st Nov:
https://www.hln.be/buitenland/passagier ... aa0f39e5c/

FINALLY:
EC-NTY = Wamos Air A330-300:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ec-nty

[Atlantis]

At this very moment, some 300 passengers from TUI Belgium TB-111 on 30th October (B787-8 OO-LOE) Varadero-Cancun-Brussels are still blocked in their hotel in Cuba or in Mexico. Reason: the TUI Dreamliner OO-LOE is AOG (technical) at VRA, and TUI Belgium seems to prefer to keep them waiting till the aircraft is fixed.

See av24.be on 31st Oct:
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/tui- ... cal-issue/
update HLN.be 1st Nov:
https://www.hln.be/buitenland/passagier ... aa0f39e5c/

FINALLY:
EC-NTY = Wamos Air A330-300:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ec-nty

It's a very bad idea of TUI to transfer their second B787 to Holland when they face regular issues with this plane.

[Lux_avi]

It's a very bad idea of TUI to transfer their second B787 to Holland when they face regular issues with this plane.

What’s your better idea?

[DIBO]

What is happening with TUI in Charleroi? This winter almost all flights and destinations cancelled or a very limited schedule. And for next summer same story...

Too strong a competition from the local LCC is my guess.
Have a look at the prices for destinations also departing from OST or ANR. Ticket prices are often double or more at OST/ANR with no local competition and still good load factors or even room for growth. I did a quick check on some destinations out of CRL that stop being served and others that continue, and it corresponds respectively to the destinations largely outnumbered in frequency by Ryanair and the ones with few competing flights (or none at all).

[Lux_avi]

What is happening with TUI in Charleroi? This winter almost all flights and destinations cancelled or a very limited schedule. And for next summer same story...

Too strong a competition from the local LCC is my guess.
Have a look at the prices for destinations also departing from OST or ANR. Ticket prices are often double or more at OST/ANR with no local competition and still good load factors or even room for growth. I did a quick check on some destinations out of CRL that stop being served and others that continue, and it corresponds respectively to the destinations largely outnumbered in frequency by Ryanair and the ones with few competing flights (or none at all).

Fully agree. But I think there will eventually be more offer from CRL, depending on the demand.
The current crisis will have consequences and I think they are just being careful at the moment.

TUI is also getting rid of some of its own metal (1x 787, 1x 737, 1x Ejet) in 2023. This will most likely continue in the next couple of years...

[Atlantis]

What is happening with TUI in Charleroi? This winter almost all flights and destinations cancelled or a very limited schedule. And for next summer same story...

Too strong a competition from the local LCC is my guess.
Have a look at the prices for destinations also departing from OST or ANR. Ticket prices are often double or more at OST/ANR with no local competition and still good load factors or even room for growth. I did a quick check on some destinations out of CRL that stop being served and others that continue, and it corresponds respectively to the destinations largely outnumbered in frequency by Ryanair and the ones with few competing flights (or none at all).

Fully agree. But I think there will eventually be more offer from CRL, depending on the demand.
The current crisis will have consequences and I think they are just being careful at the moment.

TUI is also getting rid of some of its own metal (1x 787, 1x 737, 1x Ejet) in 2023. This will most likely continue in the next couple of years...

The same story as Thomas Cook years ago. Having a fleet of around 6 planes while at the end a few left.

TUI is very expensive in BE if you compare with NL.

Regarding the other question. It's very risky to have only 1 long haul plane in your fleet. Especially when you know that it goes often technical. Better to keep the second as spare. The group was not helping them, it was HiFly but they are also not flying for free...

[crew1990]

Aviation beeing a small world in Belgium, we often hear some information/gossip from colleague related to other colleagues in other companies.

What I heard lately is that TUI Fly Belgium would stop long haul flight and Air Belgium would take over.

Info? Intox? We'll see...

[Atlantis]

Aviation beeing a small world in Belgium, we often hear some information/gossip from colleague related to other colleagues in other companies.

What I heard lately is that TUI Fly Belgium would stop long haul flight and Air Belgium would take over.

Info? Intox? We'll see...

In BE is an extreme small world . It could make sense. Air Belgium is searching for stability in their pax offer. Interline agreements is the only way they can survive. Their long haul on CRL will not survive as no regular pax carriers. Ryanair was not interested to work together with TF.
Their only option is BRU with South Africa as an example.

SN had a super Summer with leisure flights. This means that the current leisure company, TUI, is slightly flying a wrong course. They still are lucky that Transavia is not growing further next year at BRU.

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Miami-based Global X Airlines had to cut short its A320 wet-lease contract with TUI Airlines Netherlands after six weeks, as EASA required a TCO (Third Country Operator) authorisation. Talks between the carriers on a three-year relationship are in the works, and could potentially include setting up multiple AOCs in the region in order to operate more aircraft. Global X sees similar opportunities within Europe.

[Lux_avi]

The same story as Thomas Cook years ago. Having a fleet of around 6 planes while at the end a few left.

TUI is very expensive in BE if you compare with NL.

Regarding the other question. It's very risky to have only 1 long haul plane in your fleet. Especially when you know that it goes often technical. Better to keep the second as spare. The group was not helping them, it was HiFly but they are also not flying for free...

Sadly enough, yes. I also believe TUI BE will end up with a small fleet (only to cover its needs in winter time) and use wet-leases in summer time.

I also agree with the fact that keeping 1 plane doesn't make sense. But a 2nd one only as a spare aircraft is way too expensive.
The 787 doesn't have more tech problems than any other one, but the consequences of an AOG in outstation are of course more dramatic in this kind of operation. The plan before covid was to have 1x 787 in spare (for the entire group) and cover AOG's that way, but...

[TLspotting]

OO-JNL is now back into its Dutch reg : PH-OYJ.