Exel Aviation Group just bought DutchBird - NOT !!!!!!!

website-info · Post by **website-info** » 08 Oct 2004, 12:10

Hi All,

Seem Mr DeV is a busy man, just announced is the purchase this morning of DutchBird, by EA. So lets see exactly how it shapes up, with who get what aeroplanes,

remember you heard it here first,,
rgds
Tony

Post by **sn26567** » 08 Oct 2004, 13:19

See: https://www.aviation24.be/article6052.html

concordino · Post by **concordino** » 08 Oct 2004, 13:25

Looks like Tony beat you this one, Andre!!!

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 08 Oct 2004, 18:20

Thanks for the news Tony.

It seems that Exel is booming for the moment.

I hope for them that they won't make any mistakes, because it could have huge consequences.

Chris

sab319 · Post by **sab319** » 08 Oct 2004, 19:57

Is there going to be a merger between Holland Exel and dutchBird?

AN124 · Post by **AN124** » 08 Oct 2004, 20:03

Curious to know what will happen with the Airbusses from Dutchbird.
Since Erik de Vlieger has said that they prefer the Boeings above the Airbusses.

This was said during the talks with LCC VBird.

Best Regards,
Yvo

V-Bird · Post by **V-Bird** » 08 Oct 2004, 22:29

just read in the newspapers that the exelaviationgroup has orded by a lease company 4 737-300/400 planes for the winter charter period

gliding-glider · Post by **gliding-glider** » 08 Oct 2004, 23:12

reduce speed upto stalling speed and revert ..... so, wait and see.

It's my opinion not to make any guesses at the moment .... Wait for some clear news / comments.

Of course we go for the upmost for the both of them and the merger they (might) have in mind (or read -- take over --).

QUOTE
Reduce, fly present heading and wait for further instructions .... we'll bring you in ....
UNQUOTE

Greetz

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 09 Oct 2004, 02:17

sab319 wrote:Is there going to be a merger between Holland Exel and dutchBird?

Yes, the Dutchbird brand will dissapear after the winter period, and HollandExel will be the charter brand in the Netherlands.

The fate of the A320 is still not certain, although I would assume they will be fased out and some extra B737 will be brought in, since 2 of the 734 were allready destined for HollandExel (the 2 others for CuracaoExel I believe for flights to MIA from Curacao (or some other exotic Exel Airline, not sure))
Having the 737 & the A320 in such a small fleet of HE will not last long... The A320 will have to go, I guess.

sab319 · Post by **sab319** » 09 Oct 2004, 10:43

I thought the A320's where newer than B734's?

Robin_Bamps · Post by **Robin_Bamps** » 09 Oct 2004, 11:01

Hi sab319,

Both A320's from Dutchbird are ex Sabena planes.

* PH-BMC => delivered new to Sabena as OO-SNF on October 14, 1999
* PH-BMD => delivered new to Sabena as OO-SNG on January 12, 2001

PH-BMC was leased to V-Bird last winter season, PH-BMD is currently leased to Tunisair.

Regards, Robin Bamps.

Tommypilot · Post by **Tommypilot** » 09 Oct 2004, 13:03

Robin_Bamps wrote:PH-BMC was leased to V-Bird last winter season, PH-BMD is currently leased to Tunisair.

Robin;

PH-BMD flies for Dutchbird now, the operations for Tunisair stopped in September.

Greetz

Robin_Bamps · Post by **Robin_Bamps** » 09 Oct 2004, 13:24

Thanks Tommy, didn't knew that.

Regards, Robin Bamps.

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 10 Oct 2004, 16:46

sab319 wrote:I thought the A320's where newer than B734's?

They are... Cost is more important then quality to Exel I guess... (that is if they fase out the A320)

Tommypilot · Post by **Tommypilot** » 10 Oct 2004, 22:27

Hello;

Normally the A320's will NOT be fased out. Still they are negotiating to keep the brand "Dutchbird". Maybe it will become Dutchbird Exel.

But that is uncertain for the moment.

Regards,

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 10 Oct 2004, 23:41

Tommypilot wrote:Hello;

Normally the A320's will NOT be fased out. Still they are negotiating to keep the brand "Dutchbird". Maybe it will become Dutchbird Exel.

But that is uncertain for the moment.

Regards,

Then HollandExel will dissapear? I guess DutchbirdExel has the Exel-part they like, and more name-recognition then HollandExel, since they have just started up (but HE has the Air Holland legacy...)

They will stay with one type for the mediumhaul, I would suppose...
Since they said before they prefer Boeing, and there are 2 734's comming this winter for HollandExel, I don't see any future for the 320...

Tommypilot · Post by **Tommypilot** » 10 Oct 2004, 23:50

Thats your opinion Buzz!

Compare Dutchbird with Condor, also a very good brand! Thomas Cook had to change names too because of the passengers who were really well known with the name "Condor".
And I did not mention that Holland Exel will dissapear...but they are still discussing the new "productname".
There are also other companies who were for boeingfleet and still changed to airbus smoothly...MP for exemple.
Normally the A320's won't leave the fleet but as I know things can change quickly concerning aviation.

Regards,

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 11 Oct 2004, 14:32

I agree with you Buzz. It would be more economical to operate a single medium haul fleet instead of 2 small ones.
Now if they will opt for Airbus or for Boeing is still not sure, but I would also guess they would go for the B734's.

Let's wait and see.

Chris

website-info · Post by **website-info** » 20 Oct 2004, 08:56

Althought a Letter of Intend was signed on October 7th, it was announced
yesterday that the ExelAviationGroup will now NOT take over Dutchbird. Reasons
have not been revealed. To be continued ...?

Seems an easy way to get rid of your competition if you ask me........ let them sign new contracts based on your 'knight in shining armour' act and then don't go thru with the promise and just wait your time.......

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 21 Oct 2004, 12:57

Sorry once again for our English and French and German and Swahili readers, but there's no translation available for this confirmation: DutchBird has not been taken over by EdV.

De Telegraaf = http://reiskrant.nl/reiskrant/reisnieuw ... nomen.html

SCHIPHOL - Het luchtvaartconcern ExelAviationGroup van zakenman Erik de Vlieger neemt de luchtvaartmaatschappij DutchBird toch niet over. Dat heeft directeur H. Prins van de ExelAviationGroup dinsdagavond bevestigd. Begin oktober kondigde het luchtvaartbedrijf aan DutchBird te kopen. De overeenkomst was toen al ondertekend. Na deze aankondiging heeft de ExelAviationGroup boekenonderzoek gedaan bij DutchBird, zei Prins. Daar kwamen zaken uit naar voren die het concern ertoe brachten een nieuw overnamevoorstel bij de luchtvaartmaatschappij in te dienen. "Een aantal dingen moest anders geregeld worden", zei Prins, zonder details te noemen. De directeur van DutchBird heeft het nieuwe voorstel echter afgewezen. Prins is "ontzettend teleurgesteld" dat de transactie niet doorgaat. "DutchBird is een fantastisch bedrijf dat prima bij de ExelAviationGroup past." DutchBird vliegt vanuit ons land naar zonbestemmingen in onder meer Turkije, Griekenland en Spanje. De ExelAviationGroup is de laatste tijd flink gegroeid door onder meer de overname van Air Holland. Het concern voert vluchten uit tussen Schiphol en de Nederlandse Antillen. Verder vliegt de maatschappij in verschillende Europese landen en op de Antillen lijndiensten. De ExelAviationGroup is onderdeel van Imca. Dat is het investeringsvehikel van De Vlieger.