Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

[nathan_06]

When will OO-SBD & OO-SBE be delivered? And when will there be more news about definitive plans for new aircrafts for Brussels Airlines like OO-SBF, OO-SBG, etc

[oldblueeyes]

When will OO-SBD & OO-SBE be delivered? And when will there be more news about definitive plans for new aircrafts for Brussels Airlines like OO-SBF, OO-SBG, etc

New airplanes would come when the free slots to be delivered in the coming years would be available. This year's slots are all planned.

And there may be some re-allocation of CEO's as well in the group, if one brand would migrate to B737MAX.

A portion of the investment capacity is consumed by expansion of the long haul fleet as well.

[sn26567]

When will OO-SBD & OO-SBE be delivered? And when will there be more news about definitive plans for new aircraft for Brussels Airlines like OO-SBF, OO-SBG, etc

OO-SBD and OO-SBE would still be delivered in 2024, said CEO Dorothea von Boxberg at today's press conference.

[nathan_06]

On this site (https://sites.google.com/view/europeanairlinefleets/bel) there are speaking about a 11th airbus a330 for SN in 2024. Is this true?

Small update:
10th airbus a330 Lufthansa D-AIKG => SN OO-SFP
11th airbus a330 can this be lufthansa D-AIKQ because it is parked or is this just for maintenance

[Atlantis]

On this site (https://sites.google.com/view/europeanairlinefleets/bel) there are speaking about a 11th airbus a330 for SN in 2024. Is this true?

Small update:
10th airbus a330 Lufthansa D-AIKG => SN OO-SFP
11th airbus a330 can this be lufthansa D-AIKQ because it is parked or is this just for maintenance

This 11th one was mentioned already many months ago. Probably not for this year but next year

[nathan_06]

On this site (https://sites.google.com/view/europeanairlinefleets/bel) there are speaking about a 11th airbus a330 for SN in 2024. Is this true?

Small update:
10th airbus a330 Lufthansa D-AIKG => SN OO-SFP
11th airbus a330 can this be lufthansa D-AIKQ because it is parked or is this just for maintenance

This 11th one was mentioned already many months ago. Probably not for this year but next year

So can we than speak of a grow of 1 a330 every summer season for sn?

[Miqvell]

On this site (https://sites.google.com/view/europeanairlinefleets/bel) there are speaking about a 11th airbus a330 for SN in 2024. Is this true?

Small update:
10th airbus a330 Lufthansa D-AIKG => SN OO-SFP
11th airbus a330 can this be lufthansa D-AIKQ because it is parked or is this just for maintenance

This 11th one was mentioned already many months ago. Probably not for this year but next year

So can we than speak of a grow of 1 a330 every summer season for sn?

1 new A330 each year and the current goal is to eventually reach 15 widebodies in the fleet.

[nathan_06]

This 11th one was mentioned already many months ago. Probably not for this year but next year

So can we than speak of a grow of 1 a330 every summer season for sn?

1 new A330 each year and the current goal is to eventually reach 15 widebodies in the fleet.

More aircraft means higher frequency and more destinations. What are possible new destinations? Maybe something in Asia or America or will they upgrade their African routes?

[nordikcam]

So can we than speak of a grow of 1 a330 every summer season for sn?

1 new A330 each year and the current goal is to eventually reach 15 widebodies in the fleet.

More aircraft means higher frequency and more destinations. What are possible new destinations? Maybe something in Asia or America or will they upgrade their African routes?

On this forum they said it will be african destinations bcs BRU will be the "HUB" for Africa in the Star Alliance group. No way to Asia and AC and UA will fly North America...

[Miqvell]

So can we than speak of a grow of 1 a330 every summer season for sn?

1 new A330 each year and the current goal is to eventually reach 15 widebodies in the fleet.

More aircraft means higher frequency and more destinations. What are possible new destinations? Maybe something in Asia or America or will they upgrade their African routes?

Most likely to British/French/German diasporas in Africa like they're mainly doing so far.

[Atlantis]

On this site (https://sites.google.com/view/europeanairlinefleets/bel) there are speaking about a 11th airbus a330 for SN in 2024. Is this true?

Small update:
10th airbus a330 Lufthansa D-AIKG => SN OO-SFP
11th airbus a330 can this be lufthansa D-AIKQ because it is parked or is this just for maintenance

This 11th one was mentioned already many months ago. Probably not for this year but next year

So can we than speak of a grow of 1 a330 every summer season for sn?

In case that it still would be for this year, then it would be a spare aircraft. Mostly during Winter they are in maintenance. The 11th could be as a back up at that time

[sn26567]

In the press conference this week, Dorothea von Boxberg spoke only about a 10th A330 in 2024, without mentioning any further acquisitions.

[crew1990]

In the press conference this week, Dorothea von Boxberg spoke only about a 10th A330 in 2024, without mentioning any further acquisitions.

And right before the press conference there were also a "town hall meeting" for the employees and some question have been rised regarding cityjet wet leases, long term project for long haul renewal etc... but yes for S24 there is "only" 10 A330, next year will bring some new other project, most probably the 11th a330.

[oldblueeyes]

Additional A330, unless leased from the market are depending on the deliveries of B789 and A350 fam.

The planned rotation within the group is pretty clear:
- additional A359 with First would create room to bring all A346 to FRA before retirement
- the large tranche of new 789 to be delivered would free space to transfer the 5x789 ex Hainan to Austrian, replace 343 to be retired (the oldest now 27 years old) and create free room to allocate A333 from FRA to other group companies

But a one can see at Austrian, sometimes there are opportunities in the market one can use if they are a perfect fit.

Next year would be the right time to decide where the 737 are going, so this may affect other decisions as well., eg short haul+ long haul from A or B.

[nathan_06]

Additional A330, unless leased from the market are depending on the deliveries of B789 and A350 fam.

The planned rotation within the group is pretty clear:
- additional A359 with First would create room to bring all A346 to FRA before retirement
- the large tranche of new 789 to be delivered would free space to transfer the 5x789 ex Hainan to Austrian, replace 343 to be retired (the oldest now 27 years old) and create free room to allocate A333 from FRA to other group companies

But a one can see at Austrian, sometimes there are opportunities in the market one can use if they are a perfect fit.

Next year would be the right time to decide where the 737 are going, so this may affect other decisions as well., eg short haul+ long haul from A or B.

What will happen to all Lufthanse's a330, will they all go to SN in the long term or partially? So we are than speaking about 10 planes - oo-sfp/D-AIKG so 9 planes.
And is there more news about the cityjet for s25. Why do they just not order the a220 or similar aircraft?

[Atlantis]

Additional A330, unless leased from the market are depending on the deliveries of B789 and A350 fam.

The planned rotation within the group is pretty clear:
- additional A359 with First would create room to bring all A346 to FRA before retirement
- the large tranche of new 789 to be delivered would free space to transfer the 5x789 ex Hainan to Austrian, replace 343 to be retired (the oldest now 27 years old) and create free room to allocate A333 from FRA to other group companies

But a one can see at Austrian, sometimes there are opportunities in the market one can use if they are a perfect fit.

Next year would be the right time to decide where the 737 are going, so this may affect other decisions as well., eg short haul+ long haul from A or B.

What will happen to all Lufthanse's a330, will they all go to SN in the long term or partially? So we are than speaking about 10 planes - oo-sfp/D-AIKG so 9 planes.
And is there more news about the cityjet for s25. Why do they just not order the a220 or similar aircraft?

It's not that simple. As previous said, LH also has to wait for their new planes. It means that the A330 and A340 will stay as long as needed.

Maybe a few will come to SN but for sure not all. Besides, also SN will start to look to replace their own A330 fleet into new aircraft like the B787 or A330neo.

[oldblueeyes]

It's all depending on the Booeing /Airbus carousel.

From the remaining 9 available A333 at LH, there may be 3 pools which would be in the right spot to access them:

- 3xA332 at Discover are due to replacement in 2026, however as their leases were extended and the market rates for this model are down, there is some flexibility here
- Discover may plan to launch at a certain time a long haul operations program ex MUC; for 2024 only an expansion on short haul with 320CEO is planned , but may claim some additional A333 needs as well
- and of course SN, having for the time being A333

Swiss seems to plan on keeping their A333 for the time being, otherwise would have not published the future seat map with the Senses cabin.

Cityjet is a 3rd party, so what they fly for others is their business. They are mainly a wetlease provider, currently SAS being their largest client and their fleet consist of CRJ's, only.

But we'll see more in the coming winter, i believe.
There is a huge wave of Boeing 789 to be delivered quickly to LH, 15 new and at least 2 ex Norwegian orders not taken up undergoing re-work.

[crew1990]

Maybe a few will come to SN but for sure not all. Besides, also SN will start to look to replace their own A330 fleet into new aircraft like the B787 or A330neo.

Actually, it will be more between A330neo and A350. Someone asked if the 737max could go to SN to what the CEO answered that she would like SN to stay full airbus with the plan to harmonise the MH fleet with A320neo and that for long haul it would be a choice between A330neo and A350 but it wouldn't be for now since the A330 fleet is still not that old.

[oldblueeyes]

By doing the simple maths, the long haul fleet would start it's renewal approx 2030.
At that time enough A350 or B789 shall bei available in the secondary market or even within the group.
New A330 Neos may not ve an option.

[nathan_06]

Today OO-SBC first flight Brussel - Copenhagen but canceled. Is there more information?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oo-sbc#