Zaventem must go... ????? (Luc Coene, minister of state)

ATC · Post by **ATC** » 11 Jan 2004, 13:53

Alltough 2004 is just started, this must be the joke of 2004.

Luc Coene, minister of state has annouced in the newspaper "de zondag" that BRU (zaventem) must disappaer.

He says that
- zaventem is located at the wrong place of Brussels
- and the noicetrouble will not disappaer.

He says zaventem must move within now and ten years to another location, for example to Bierset or Chièvres .

I think this "belgian" aviation problem is become worser and worser.
A joke for the rest of the world.

reactions ???

greatings,
ATC

B737229 · Post by **B737229** » 11 Jan 2004, 14:02

Just another politician trying to profile himself by shouting loud in stead of thinking first ... I think belgium is full of these low profile politicians!

Lets make another airport about 80km out of the center, like Malpensa, but we will call it 'Bruxeles Malpensé'

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 11 Jan 2004, 14:05

I heard the news on TV today, and was kind of shocked with this statement. IF politicians will continue to act like that, we can forget belgian aviation in the future.

I agree that we could need a new airport in 20 years, and this needs a ot of preparation, so it's not too early to think about the issue, but I wouldn't say that EBBR is doomed either

will call it 'Bruxeles Malpensé'

LOL

Ciao
Chris
8)

AN124 · Post by **AN124** » 11 Jan 2004, 14:06

Move to Bierset?
I think that the minister needs the read the news better.
The people the are leaving around Bierset are already demonstrating against the present noice regulation.
With Brussel moving to Bierset noise will only increase. So I don't think this is a reasonable option

Besides what's wrong with the present Zaventem. Nothing if you ask me. The airport has enough capacity to expand. And people buying a house in the neighbourhood of the airport know that there are planes flying over their houses. So think before you act I would see to those people. Also those living next to other airports like Leige.

Maybe it's an idea to come with the same idea as SPL did some time ago.
Let aviation enthousiast buy a house close to the airport and gave them some money to help them finance their new home. I don;t know if SPL executed this program but it sounds good to me.

Best Regards,
Yvo

TWA · Post by **TWA** » 11 Jan 2004, 14:20

[quote="B737229"].... belgium is full of these......

:shoot: :shoot: low profile politicians! :pang: :pang:

TWA :dammit:

B737229 · Post by **B737229** » 11 Jan 2004, 14:27

B737229 wrote:Lets make another airport about 80km out of the center, like Malpensa, but we will call it 'Bruxeles Malpensé'

for those not familiar with french , Malpensé means 'never thought about' or 'unlogic'

Quit similar name to Malpensa, i will also become the same situation as at Milan

Long live the Belgian 'politicians' !!!

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 11 Jan 2004, 16:27

The person who told this lives in Tervuren. ( There are night flight above Tervuren)

Facts: (Vrt)
If DHL would move to Bierset=> Flemish government wants compensations
If they build a new airport in Walloon=> Flemish government wants compensations
At EBLG works 400 persons no Flemisch inhabitant.
The Walloon gouvernement don't want that EBBR becomes a Flemisch airport.

Van de Lanotte want to stop charter flights at night so that DHL can do more flights during the night. This is the most logical answer of all of them.

Don't forget that there are elections this year.

So don't be afraid this is Belgium, here they make always compromises.

Greetz,

Dave

ATC · Post by **ATC** » 11 Jan 2004, 17:06

Van de Lanotte want to stop charter flights at night so that DHL can do more flights during the night. This is the most logical answer of all of them.

questions :
- Is this a good solution for BRU ?
- Doesn't BRU have more incomes on passangertraffic than on cargo ?
- If (read if) the charterflights leave BRU how many passangers BRU will lose (2, maybe 3 million) ?

some conclusions:
The belgian political world have dicuss the "aviation" problems for over two years now. One day they say this, the other day they say some totaly different. Everyone wants to say something in this matter, but nowbody says someone logical. They play with the aviation companies like its a game.
* We'll put DHL there, or maybe there...
* We"ll put the charterflight there and not there...

some facts:
- DHL wants to expand in BRU, if they can't they'll leave Belgium.
- I don't think the charter companies want to leave BRU.
(Maybe they can have a flight or two in a regional airport but I think they want to have BRU has there main hub fot their operations. BRU central location is a must for the traveller.)

Like allways, I'll hope for the best...

greatings,
ATC

sabena4ever · Post by **sabena4ever** » 11 Jan 2004, 17:09

liebensd wrote:
The Walloon gouvernement don't want that EBBR becomes a Flemisch airport.

Hello, I hope nobody wants that Brussels National become a "flemish airport"
It's Brussels National, for all Belgians
please, do not forget it, and try to be reasonnable!!! thanks

ATC · Post by **ATC** » 11 Jan 2004, 17:20

Hello, I hope nobody wants that Brussels National become a "flemish airport"
It's Brussels National, for all Belgians
please, do not forget it, and try to be reasonnable!!! thanks

First I'm a belgian, than I'm a european and than I'm a flemish.
I'm also convinced BRU must stay national !!!
So lets build this aiport togheter (flemish and walloon people) has a example for the rest of the world.
(It's a pitty that we don't have these things in our hands.)

greatings,
ATC
belgian

Zorba · Post by **Zorba** » 11 Jan 2004, 17:21

Oh my god, what is wrong with those people

They are realy going crazy! He said the airport is wrong build ... I think the people who life there are wrong build

What will happen if BRU will disappear? Thousands of jobs will be lost, SN Brussels Airlines, VEX, Thomas Cook, DHL, all other airline must move to another airport ....

I'm sick of those Belgian politicians

Regards,
Rutger

thomascookie · Post by **thomascookie** » 11 Jan 2004, 17:28

simply :pang:
I said it in other topics to, this lunatic is expressing what the belgian politicians wants

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 11 Jan 2004, 17:41

questions :
- Is this a good solution for BRU ?
- Doesn't BRU have more incomes on passangertraffic than on cargo ?
- If (read if) the charterflights leave BRU how many passangers BRU will lose (2, maybe 3 million) ?

There are almost no night charter flights during the year only on vacation days. So If they can move the charters a couple of houers the problem is solved.

ATC: It are only the night charter flights

Greetz,

Dave

744rules · Post by **744rules** » 11 Jan 2004, 18:30

Hold your horses guys. I think Coene is no longer an active politician, if he ever was.
And he said this in his own name, not in the name of any political party or any protest commitee like Wakker Tervuren (as this is the place he lives)

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 11 Jan 2004, 18:47

Vrt wrote:zo 11/01/04 - Vlaams minister-president Bart Somers (VLD) zegt dat een sluiting van de luchthaven van Zaventem uitgesloten is. Hij reageert daarmee op Luc Coene, de gewezen kabinetschef van premier Verhofstadt. Die zegt in De Zondag dat hij Zaventem ziet verdwijnen. Intussen relativeert hij dat wel. Vooral hinderlijke activiteiten, zoals nachtvluchten, zouden op termijn moeten verdwijnen in Zaventem.

Flemish minister president Bart Somers told: There will be no closing of Zaventem.

Two active Flemish politicians of the Flemish an federal government are telling the same story: at this moment there are 20000 night flights a year at ebbr and the maximum is 25000. So there is a potential of 5000 night flights( 5000/356=14 extra slots available for every night). There are also 4000 night operations by charter companies, if they can move their flights to the day or to a regional airport: + 4000 night slots at ebbr. Conclusion of what those two politicians told 9000 night slots available ( 9000/356=25,2 extra night flights).

If DHL stays in Zaventem, the both governments, Flemish and Walloon, will get the most advantages, both will get more jobs ex…

Greetz,

Dave

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 11 Jan 2004, 19:41

then what is the problem? 14 flights a night , or even 25, that looks really a lot to me, i suppose this is more then enough for DHL?

744rules · Post by **744rules** » 11 Jan 2004, 20:14

Everybody is throwing in figures about the number of nightflights. I think it would be better to determine a few items first, such as the night (from when to when), a flight (is not the same as a movement). As long as you don't use the same criteria, you will end up with a biased conclusion.

Years ago, someone said : " You have small lies, you have big lies, .... and you have statistics.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 11 Jan 2004, 21:07

The past couple of days you hear a lot of things about DHL, Zaventem and belgian aviation in general. I think that the politician just want to be mors popular because of the election of this year.

I also have the feeling that some of those politicians are trying to make that issue become a flemish/wallon problem. Personnaly I think this is just silly

. We are BELGIANS and should try to solve the problem in that way.

I fear for the worst for the moment

Greetz
Chris

Allnipponairways · Post by **Allnipponairways** » 11 Jan 2004, 23:27

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flying cobra: don't use the f-word on this website

greets

flying cobra

L-1011 · Post by **L-1011** » 12 Jan 2004, 00:00

I think all of this should be regarded as a political "stunt", trying to win electors or at least show them that they are fighting for them.

:shoot: Silly politics

Sadly we cannot make those kind of declarations frome those kind of people dissapear :witch:

ciao,
TriStar