I wonder what the age of this craft was.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070307/wl_ ... a_plane_dc
Garuda 737 crash, how old was this plane?
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Garuda 737 crash, how old was this plane?
Tragic loss of life in plane crash
I wonder what the age of this craft was.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070307/wl_ ... a_plane_dc
I wonder what the age of this craft was.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070307/wl_ ... a_plane_dc
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Flight: (GA) Garuda Indonesia 200
Date: 07 Mar, 2007
Equipment: 734 Boeing 737-497 PK-GZC
MSN: 25664
Line Number: 2393
Engine Manufacturer: CFM International
Engine Model: CFM56-3C1
Year of Delivery: 1992
Departure
Airport: (CGK) Soekarno-Hatta International Airport
Schedule: 06:00 AM
Weather: 77 °F (25 °C)
Arrival
Airport: (JOG) Adisutjipto Airport
Schedule: 07:00 AM
SOB:140 -7crew -133pax -93 people were evacuated
Adisucipto* (or Adisutjipto) International Airport (IATA: JOG, ICAO: WARJ)
Runways Direction Length Surface ft m
09/27 7,218 2,200 Asphalt
09R/27L 4,385 1,337 Grass
*Adisucipto was a pilot who was shot down 29 July 1947 while flying Dakota VT-CLA for the Indonesian airforce during a clash with the Dutch.
Date: 07 Mar, 2007
Equipment: 734 Boeing 737-497 PK-GZC
MSN: 25664
Line Number: 2393
Engine Manufacturer: CFM International
Engine Model: CFM56-3C1
Year of Delivery: 1992
Departure
Airport: (CGK) Soekarno-Hatta International Airport
Schedule: 06:00 AM
Weather: 77 °F (25 °C)
Arrival
Airport: (JOG) Adisutjipto Airport
Schedule: 07:00 AM
SOB:140 -7crew -133pax -93 people were evacuated
Adisucipto* (or Adisutjipto) International Airport (IATA: JOG, ICAO: WARJ)
Runways Direction Length Surface ft m
09/27 7,218 2,200 Asphalt
09R/27L 4,385 1,337 Grass
*Adisucipto was a pilot who was shot down 29 July 1947 while flying Dakota VT-CLA for the Indonesian airforce during a clash with the Dutch.
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Know what you do when you book Garuda...
7 September 1974; Garuda Indonesian Airways F27; Telukbetung, Indonesia: All three crew members and 28 of the 33 passengers were killed. during landing
24 September 1975; Garuda Indonesian Airways F28-1000; near Palembang, Indonesia: The aircraft had an accident during landing. All four crew members and 21 of the 58 passengers were killed.
11 July 1979; Garuda Indonesian Airways F28-1000; near Medan Airfield, Indonesia: The aircraft hit mountainous terrain. All four crew members and 57 passengers were killed.
20 March 1982; Garuda Indonesian Airways F28-1000; Brantl Airport, Indonesia: The aircraft had a runway overrun in heavy rain, crashed and caught fire All four crew members and 22 of the 24 passengers were killed.
2 June 1983; Garuda Indonesian Airways F28-1000; Tanjungkarang, Indonesia: The aircraft had a runway overran on takeoff. Two of the four crew members and one of the 57 passengers were killed.
4 April 1987; Garuda Indonesian Airways DC9-32; Medan, Indonesia: The aircraft crashed on approach in heavy rain. Four of the eight crew members and 23 of the 37 passengers were killed.
13 June 1996; Garuda Indonesian Airways DC10-30; Fukuoka, Japan: it overran the runway after an aborted takeoff and caught fire. There were 260 passengers and 15 crew on board. Three passengers died and a reported 108 of the occupants suffered various injuries.
26 September 1997; Garuda Indonesian Airways A300; near Medan, Indonesia: crashed in a mountainous area about 19 miles (30 km) from the airport. All 12 crew members and 222 passengers were killed.
These guys have problems landing....
And believe it or not:
Garuda Indonesia is willing to pay all medical treatment for their passengers....
Note, Adisutjipto weather station is not reporting for the moment.
24 September 1975; Garuda Indonesian Airways F28-1000; near Palembang, Indonesia: The aircraft had an accident during landing. All four crew members and 21 of the 58 passengers were killed.
11 July 1979; Garuda Indonesian Airways F28-1000; near Medan Airfield, Indonesia: The aircraft hit mountainous terrain. All four crew members and 57 passengers were killed.
20 March 1982; Garuda Indonesian Airways F28-1000; Brantl Airport, Indonesia: The aircraft had a runway overrun in heavy rain, crashed and caught fire All four crew members and 22 of the 24 passengers were killed.
2 June 1983; Garuda Indonesian Airways F28-1000; Tanjungkarang, Indonesia: The aircraft had a runway overran on takeoff. Two of the four crew members and one of the 57 passengers were killed.
4 April 1987; Garuda Indonesian Airways DC9-32; Medan, Indonesia: The aircraft crashed on approach in heavy rain. Four of the eight crew members and 23 of the 37 passengers were killed.
13 June 1996; Garuda Indonesian Airways DC10-30; Fukuoka, Japan: it overran the runway after an aborted takeoff and caught fire. There were 260 passengers and 15 crew on board. Three passengers died and a reported 108 of the occupants suffered various injuries.
26 September 1997; Garuda Indonesian Airways A300; near Medan, Indonesia: crashed in a mountainous area about 19 miles (30 km) from the airport. All 12 crew members and 222 passengers were killed.
These guys have problems landing....
And believe it or not:
Garuda Indonesia is willing to pay all medical treatment for their passengers....
Note, Adisutjipto weather station is not reporting for the moment.
The jet reportedly started shaking violently before landing, the front wheel of the plane was on fire as it landed, causing it to veer off the runway and hit a boundary fence.
The plane was too fast or over-speeding, so it ran about 300 metres off the runway.
A fire started near the front of the B737-400.
Notice, GA200 is the first flight of the day.
The plane was too fast or over-speeding, so it ran about 300 metres off the runway.
A fire started near the front of the B737-400.
Notice, GA200 is the first flight of the day.
As usual reports of this incident from this area are unconfirmed, and in most cases far from the truth, a pair of passengers from the RAAF gives an account from their point of view on what caused the crash.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/spe ... 00158.html
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/spe ... 00158.html
There are no strangers in the world, just friends we have yet to meet.
Why is it so dangerous to fly with Indonesian airlines?
The reason is quite simple: experienced (Muslim) Indonesian pilots are recruited by the rich and rapidly expanding carriers of the (Muslim) Middle East.
These carriers can afford the best Indonesian captains, who can fly with them as first officers at much higher wages than in Indonesia.
The less best Indonesian pilots remain with the Indonesian carriers, who tell them they are not worth high wages...
And that's the beginning of a downward spiral.
The less bests replace the bests, and so on. Imagine what is sitting behind the wheel there...
Note, Australia is also suffering too of the phenomenon, with many skilled pilots, engineers, systems and standards personnel being recruited to the tax-friendly career opportunities offered in the UAE and Singapore.
That is what I call predation for years in these forums.
If people die in air disasters so often in Indonesia*, that is because predators took away their skilled pilots, engineers, systems and standards personnel.
These Middle East carriers are killing airlines and their clients. That is the predation.
So simple as that. And flying with them is sponsoring that predation.
PIA has seen its fleet decimated, Air India has to hire CSA aircraft and crew. Many Western airlines will have to give up Asian destinations.
How to resist to predation?
Not all destinations should be taxed the same rate: airport taxes should be geographically determined. Poor (African) people should pay less than rich (Middle East) people. Democratic regimes should receive extra incentives. And predators should not be welcomed.
So simple as that.
Poor Asians and Africans should not die because other rich people can fly or make money.
*Read and Africa.
The reason is quite simple: experienced (Muslim) Indonesian pilots are recruited by the rich and rapidly expanding carriers of the (Muslim) Middle East.
These carriers can afford the best Indonesian captains, who can fly with them as first officers at much higher wages than in Indonesia.
The less best Indonesian pilots remain with the Indonesian carriers, who tell them they are not worth high wages...
And that's the beginning of a downward spiral.
The less bests replace the bests, and so on. Imagine what is sitting behind the wheel there...
Note, Australia is also suffering too of the phenomenon, with many skilled pilots, engineers, systems and standards personnel being recruited to the tax-friendly career opportunities offered in the UAE and Singapore.
That is what I call predation for years in these forums.
If people die in air disasters so often in Indonesia*, that is because predators took away their skilled pilots, engineers, systems and standards personnel.
These Middle East carriers are killing airlines and their clients. That is the predation.
So simple as that. And flying with them is sponsoring that predation.
PIA has seen its fleet decimated, Air India has to hire CSA aircraft and crew. Many Western airlines will have to give up Asian destinations.
How to resist to predation?
Not all destinations should be taxed the same rate: airport taxes should be geographically determined. Poor (African) people should pay less than rich (Middle East) people. Democratic regimes should receive extra incentives. And predators should not be welcomed.
So simple as that.
Poor Asians and Africans should not die because other rich people can fly or make money.
*Read and Africa.
Pilots say wind caused Garuda crash
A sudden downdraft and gust of wind is what caused an Indonesian airliner to crash-land and burst into flames this week.
Pilots say wind caused Garuda crash
Pilots say wind caused Garuda crash
The same aircraft that crashed (PK-GZC) suffered a brake failure the day before. Now on that day before the brakes may of failed on the last flight of the day so the 737-400 may of crashed due to this as it couldn't stop on the runway. Personally i don't believe a gust of wind brought the aircraft down, i mean it could land in turbulence for god's sake. Anyway it's such a shame, RIP to all of those who came to such an unfair end. Something does need to be done about Indonesian carriers though.
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SN30952 wrote:Why is it so dangerous to fly with Indonesian airlines?
The reason is quite simple: experienced (Muslim) Indonesian pilots are recruited by the rich and rapidly expanding carriers of the (Muslim) Middle East.
These carriers can afford the best Indonesian captains, who can fly with them as first officers at much higher wages than in Indonesia.
The less best Indonesian pilots remain with the Indonesian carriers, who tell them they are not worth high wages...
And that's the beginning of a downward spiral.
The less bests replace the bests, and so on. Imagine what is sitting behind the wheel there...
Note, Australia is also suffering too of the phenomenon, with many skilled pilots, engineers, systems and standards personnel being recruited to the tax-friendly career opportunities offered in the UAE and Singapore.
That is what I call predation for years in these forums.
If people die in air disasters so often in Indonesia*, that is because predators took away their skilled pilots, engineers, systems and standards personnel.
These Middle East carriers are killing airlines and their clients. That is the predation.
So simple as that. And flying with them is sponsoring that predation.
PIA has seen its fleet decimated, Air India has to hire CSA aircraft and crew. Many Western airlines will have to give up Asian destinations.
How to resist to predation?
Not all destinations should be taxed the same rate: airport taxes should be geographically determined. Poor (African) people should pay less than rich (Middle East) people. Democratic regimes should receive extra incentives. And predators should not be welcomed.
So simple as that.
Poor Asians and Africans should not die because other rich people can fly or make money.
*Read and Africa.
What a ridiculous post - blaming anyone else is always the easiest option...
PH
In reference to the Garuda B737/400 crash, apparently the weather conditions were calm at the time of the proposed landing.
It appears the aircraft was approaching the runway at a too higher speed than normal and some how over-shot the runway.
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The Garuda compensation pay-out figure to each passenger is about $84K that's Australian or U.S dollars, but thats's what's on offer!
That's an absolute disgrace by the Indonesian's!
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Mr. SN30952 : In reference to your comments about "Australia is suffering from the same phenomonen too". You mister don't know what you're talking about!
Australia isn't suffering from any shortage of skilled aviation personnel!
It appears the aircraft was approaching the runway at a too higher speed than normal and some how over-shot the runway.
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The Garuda compensation pay-out figure to each passenger is about $84K that's Australian or U.S dollars, but thats's what's on offer!
That's an absolute disgrace by the Indonesian's!
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Mr. SN30952 : In reference to your comments about "Australia is suffering from the same phenomonen too". You mister don't know what you're talking about!
Australia isn't suffering from any shortage of skilled aviation personnel!
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The only reasonable option is to blame those who actually are responsible for crashing a plane.SN30952 wrote:No, blaming the weakest is the easiest option.PlaneHunter wrote:What a ridiculous post - blaming anyone else is always the easiest option... PH
Just in case it turns out the crews weren't skilled enough, then it's mainly the airline's fault to hire and place into the flightdeck insufficiently skilled pilots.
PH
Control Tower Tapes Destroy Garuda Pilot's Wind Shear Claim
CLAIMS by the two Garuda pilots involved in last week's fatal crash that the jet was brought down by a sudden gust of wind have been discredited by the pair's own conversations with air-traffic controllers.
Transcripts obtained by The Australian reveal a routine descent before the disaster in the Indonesian city of Yogyakarta, with wind conditions described several times as ''calm''.
As the bodies of the five Australians who died were being prepared for repatriation last night, the two pilots were interviewed by Indonesian police and could face charges over the tragedy. The new control tower evidence confirms there were no sudden gusts of wind as flight GA200 came in to land on Wednesday. This contradicts reported claims by the two pilots that the plane was subjected to a sudden down draft.......
much more here.....
http://www.airportbusiness.com/online/a ... eSection=1
CLAIMS by the two Garuda pilots involved in last week's fatal crash that the jet was brought down by a sudden gust of wind have been discredited by the pair's own conversations with air-traffic controllers.
Transcripts obtained by The Australian reveal a routine descent before the disaster in the Indonesian city of Yogyakarta, with wind conditions described several times as ''calm''.
As the bodies of the five Australians who died were being prepared for repatriation last night, the two pilots were interviewed by Indonesian police and could face charges over the tragedy. The new control tower evidence confirms there were no sudden gusts of wind as flight GA200 came in to land on Wednesday. This contradicts reported claims by the two pilots that the plane was subjected to a sudden down draft.......
much more here.....
http://www.airportbusiness.com/online/a ... eSection=1
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So so, and just in case it turns out the crews weren't skilled enough, where did the skilled crews go?PlaneHunter wrote:Just in case it turns out the crews weren't skilled enough, then it's mainly the airline's fault to hire and place into the flightdeck insufficiently skilled pilots. PH
The skilled captains, the skilled check pilots, the skilled trainers... that is.
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It's an airline's task to ensure that crews are skilled or sufficiently trained - if it can't find enough qualified pilots, it shouldn't expand. If they neglect safety it's not any other airlines' fault.SN30952 wrote:So so, and just in case it turns out the crews weren't skilled enough, where did the skilled crews go?
The skilled captains, the skilled check pilots, the skilled trainers... that is.
PH