Power 8 announcement delayed

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 19 Feb 2007, 13:59

Power 8 delayed

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 19 Feb 2007, 15:57

This is getting rediculous...
You would think they understand the painfull situation they're in by now, but it seems they still do not...

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 19 Feb 2007, 17:56

I feel sorry for Gallois, its like being in a pit filled with alligators, who do I feed and who do I starve, and if I don't keep them all happy one will eat me.

It would seem it's going to get far worse before it gets better.

smokejumper · Post by **smokejumper** » 20 Feb 2007, 01:45

I think all realize the necessity for Power 8 and (reluctantly) agree that drasitc measures are required. It's just that each party does not want to have to face voters inthe next electiona and have to say "I worked to save Airbus and jobs in the other country".

The old saying "You stand where you sit' is certainly true here!

gwillie · Post by **gwillie** » 20 Feb 2007, 03:53

Airbus faces break-up.......

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/b ... 409307.ece

RC20 · Post by **RC20** » 20 Feb 2007, 06:11

Airbus faces being reduced to irelevant (a bit player).

$64 question is, should they concentrate on a composite A320 type, rather than risk loosing that market to Boeing as well?

RC20 · Post by **RC20** » 20 Feb 2007, 06:18

Buzz wrote:This is getting rediculous...
You would think they understand the painfull situation they're in by now, but it seems they still do not...

The problem is, Airbus is beholden to the governments of the countries that formed it. Times have caught up with it, and its literally impossible to adjust.

Russia wants in on it, but on the same type terms that the existing factories have, i.e. non compete, hand us the work (and that does not mean the existing factories put out bad work, its just not competitive). What happens if you get a shoddy setup (Russia) with the work guaranteed. More crisis.

Tough times ahead.

fcw · Post by **fcw** » 20 Feb 2007, 11:40

Power 8 will probably mean the end for the A340 production line.

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 20 Feb 2007, 11:49

I am following this story closely, especially the impact on UK Airbus jobs.

Maybe the A380 will turn out to be a big white elephant - there are already problems and delays. It is probably the biggest mistake Airbus has ever made.

Post by **Bruspotter** » 20 Feb 2007, 12:15

Hello

I think a big player but also a big problem in the Airbus Industrie is Europe and the European governments , wich bond Airbus on (too) much rules and don't leave them really some place to bread. Just think about all rules they got shot to their heads , in comparison to Boeing , wich is WELL supported by the US Government. I think it's maybe time for Airbus to get some more PRIVATE investment and less governmental , after all I don't think it is so good... or am i SO wrong?

Best regards: Yannick

Zenfookpower · Post by **Zenfookpower** » 20 Feb 2007, 14:17

Bruspotter wrote:Hello

I think a big player but also a big problem in the Airbus Industrie is Europe and the European governments , wich bond Airbus on (too) much rules and don't leave them really some place to bread. Just think about all rules they got shot to their heads , in comparison to Boeing , wich is WELL supported by the US Government. I think it's maybe time for Airbus to get some more PRIVATE investment and less governmental , after all I don't think it is so good... or am i SO wrong?

Best regards: Yannick

Do I understand you correctly..? Are you suggesting that more "EU government" support will help Airbus ..?... What about Airbus becoming an enterprise disconnected from any government and just driven by free capitalistic business principles...
They for sure have the engineering talent..

Zenfookpower · Post by **Zenfookpower** » 21 Feb 2007, 18:36

The "real" reason why Power8 is delayed.
Read here http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/id ... geNumber=1

smacDC-10 · Post by **smacDC-10** » 21 Feb 2007, 19:03

Smokescreen

Zenfookpower · Post by **Zenfookpower** » 21 Feb 2007, 19:04

smacDC-10 wrote:Smokescreen

Why..?

Post by **Bruspotter** » 21 Feb 2007, 20:31

Hello

Zenfookpower:

No actually I totally mean otherwise

I actually mean that the EU-government restrict airbus too much in it's movable space and bond it to too much regulations sometimes in comparison with the American Boeing.

Best regards: Yannick

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 21 Feb 2007, 21:31

On a side note: I wonder what the consequence of the Power8 plan will be on the Belgian suppliers.

Bruspotter wrote: No actually I totally mean otherwise I actually mean that the EU-government restrict airbus too much in it's movable space and bond it to too much regulations sometimes in comparison with the American Boeing.

Can you give us some examples ?

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 22 Feb 2007, 03:59

Very interesting comment:

http://iagblog.blogspot.com/2007/02/air ... -play.html

smokejumper · Post by **smokejumper** » 22 Feb 2007, 15:14

Many forum members are much more informed and sensitive to the politics of Europe than I am, so I defer to their opinion.

As an outside observer, I feel that very tough times are ahead for Airbus unless (very unlikely) one of the major parties (France or Germany) backs down. It is generally accepted that France has maintained the major technological and industrial aeronautical base, so if a break-up occurs, Germany and the other "partners (Britain and Spain) will be the loosers.

I do not profess to know the answer, but government interference in business decisions generally go bad! Govermental decisions are based on politics and getting re-elected, and that makes for bad economic decisions.

Post by **Bruspotter** » 22 Feb 2007, 21:26

Hello

Avro : No in fact I can't really , I'll tell you why. It was already quite some wile ago I saw it in a docu or something or maybe I'm totally wrong it was a artical in the newspaper , but I do think it was on TV. Anyway , if I would start explaining something wich I don't really totally understand and not completely remember anymore, than I would certainly tell wrong things. The thing is , it was al very juridic and I'm not a lawyer. I must also confess I didn't really understood all they meant because it was so juridic but if I heard that I had sometime like 'GOD' why all this cr... and they explained some things wich where the case at Boeing's and the result was that they had to admit that they (Boeing) had less restrictions than the most European aircraftbuilders and aviation company's.

Best regards: Yannick

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 22 Feb 2007, 23:10

I think what everyone is trying to get across is that Airbus is very restricted to certain countries for production of components unless there is no country that has the capability to produce that component, then they can outsource to wherever they can get them made.

Boeing has no such restriction, other than no-trade countries that the government has blocked.

A good example is the 787 components which are produced all around the world and the only restriction was the ability to produce it on time and to meet the specifications at the specified price.

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