what about a history lesson:

JoAILES · Post by **JoAILES** » 10 Jul 2006, 10:35

hi,

Today, 10 july 2000 EADS was formed by the merger of Aérospatiale-Matra of France, Construcciones Aeronáuticas SA (CASA) of Spain, and DaimlerChrysler Aerospace AG (DASA) of Germany, to become the world's second largest aerospace company (after Boeing).
EADS is also the second-largest European arms manufacturer (after BAE Systems.)

also:

July 10, 1938, Howard Hughes (the Aviator) sets a new record by completing a 91 hour airplane flight around the world, beating the previous record by more than four days. For this flight he did not fly a plane of his own design but a Lockheed Super Electra (a twin engine plane with a four man crew).

1940... 10 july - World War II: Battle of Britain - The German Luftwaffe begin to hit British convoys in the English Channel thus starting the battle (this start date is contested, though).
The Battle of Britain was the first major battle to be fought entirely in the air. It was the largest and most sustained bombing campaign yet attempted and the first real test of the strategic bombing theories that had emerged since the previous World War

Ozzie1969 · Post by **Ozzie1969** » 11 Jul 2006, 09:28

JoAILES wrote:July 10, 1938, Howard Hughes (the Aviator) sets a new record by completing a 91 hour airplane flight around the world, beating the previous record by more than four days. For this flight he did not fly a plane of his own design but a Lockheed Super Electra (a twin engine plane with a four man crew).

How can a 91 hour flight beat a previous record by more than four days, if four days equals 96 hours? Unless the previous record was -5 hours...

teddybAIR · Post by **teddybAIR** » 11 Jul 2006, 09:48

Euhm,

When we say that he has beaten the previous record by for days, we mean that this flight is four days shorter than the previous one. Therefore, the previous flight took 91 hours + approx. four days. He did it in four days less (ie. 91 hours). It's basic mathematics really:

Example:
previous record: 8 days (estimate)
Hughes' current record: 3 days and 19 hours

he has beaten previous record by four days.

Your logic would mean that he was four days slower than the previous record

Ozzie1969 · Post by **Ozzie1969** » 11 Jul 2006, 10:02

teddybAIR wrote:Euhm,

When we say that he has beaten the previous record by for days, we mean that this flight is four days shorter than the previous one. Therefore, the previous flight took 91 hours + approx. four days. He did it in four days less (ie. 91 hours). It's basic mathematics really:

Example:
previous record: 8 days (estimate)
Hughes' current record: 3 days and 19 hours
he has beaten previous record by four days.

Your logic would mean that he was four days slower than the previous record

Aha! I thought you meant that he had sent a new endurance record, while you meant he set a new speed record for flying round the world. I thougth something wasn't right ...

teddybAIR · Post by **teddybAIR** » 11 Jul 2006, 10:05

Actually, that would be an interesting question: what is until now the longest endurance flight that has ever taken place?
Can be interpreted in different ways:

- longest in terms of distance covered
- longest in terms of airborne time

With or without refuelling, etc...

Ozzie1969 · Post by **Ozzie1969** » 11 Jul 2006, 10:06

teddybAIR wrote:Actually, that would be an interesting question: what is until now the longest endurance flight that has ever taken place?
Can be interpreted in different ways:

- longest in terms of distance covered
- longest in terms of airborne time

With or without refuelling, etc...

Does space travel count? 8)

fokker_f27 · Post by **fokker_f27** » 11 Jul 2006, 13:02

teddybAIR wrote:Actually, that would be an interesting question: what is until now the longest endurance flight that has ever taken place?
Can be interpreted in different ways:

- longest in terms of distance covered
- longest in terms of airborne time

With or without refuelling, etc...

I think distance covered the Voyager, with the world trip. If space travel is included, then some satellites are real winners in airborne time and distance.

JoAILES · Post by **JoAILES** » 11 Jul 2006, 13:12

satellites don't fly, do they? They are stationary no? So you can not call them planes right?

teddybAIR · Post by **teddybAIR** » 11 Jul 2006, 13:45

Let's just stick to airplanes shall we...

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 11 Jul 2006, 16:14

JoAILES wrote:satellites don't fly, do they? They are stationary no? So you can not call them planes right?

Actually, satellites do move, they just don't use thrust most of the time. Geostationary satellites are in a very high orbit, so they orbit the earth with the same angular velocity as the surface of the earth. They hang over the same spot, but they most certainly move.

Satellites on lower orbits do not 'hang' over the same spot. For example, GPS satellites circle the earth twice a day.

Stepha380 · Post by **Stepha380** » 11 Jul 2006, 17:47

- longest in terms of distance covered
- longest in terms of airborne time
without refuelling, etc...

777-200LR HKG-LHR heading east. No ???

Before the flight http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/200 ... 1108h.html
After the flight http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4423750.stm

fokker_f27 · Post by **fokker_f27** » 11 Jul 2006, 21:55

Stepha380 wrote:
- longest in terms of distance covered
- longest in terms of airborne time
without refuelling, etc...
777-200LR HKG-LHR heading east. No ???

Before the flight http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/200 ... 1108h.html
After the flight http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4423750.stm

But this is only for PAX airliners(article says so). As I sayd before, I think it's the Voyager.

Stepha380 · Post by **Stepha380** » 12 Jul 2006, 01:04

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_1

14 billion kilometers and increasing...

Both Voyager 1 and 2 carry this amazing thing: a golden record.
http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/spacecraft/goldenrec.html

fokker_f27 · Post by **fokker_f27** » 12 Jul 2006, 11:43

Stepha380 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_1

14 billion kilometers and increasing...

Both Voyager 1 and 2 carry this amazing thing: a golden record.
http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/spacecraft/goldenrec.html

By voyager, I actually meant this Voyager, since I tought space travel didn't count:

But if space travel does count, then you're right about Voyager 1.

JoAILES · Post by **JoAILES** » 12 Jul 2006, 15:58

The FAI distance record for a manned balloon is 40,814 km (25,361 miles) set by Switzerland's Bertrand Piccard and Britain's Brian Jones, who piloted the Breitling Orbiter 3 from March 1 to March 21, 1999.

JoAILES · Post by **JoAILES** » 12 Jul 2006, 15:59

accoring to FAI....

Distance over a closed circuit without landing : 40 706.53 km

Date of flight: 17/03/2006
Pilot: Steve FOSSETT (USA)
Course/place: Salina, KS (USA) - Salina, KS (USA)

Aircraft:
Scaled Composites M311

JoAILES · Post by **JoAILES** » 13 Jul 2006, 12:04

on July 13, 1973, a Delta Air Lines DC-9-31 crashed while attempting to land at Boston, Massachusetts. All 89 passengers and crew aboard were killed.

JoAILES · Post by **JoAILES** » 18 Jul 2006, 12:17

1942 - World War II: The Germans test fly the Messerschmitt Me-262 http://www.stormbirds.com/ using only its jets for the first time.

JoAILES · Post by **JoAILES** » 20 Jul 2006, 13:43

Apollo 11 Saturn V AS-506 Armstrong Collins Aldrin Columbia Eagle July 16, 1969 13:32 GMT 08d 03h
18m 35s
First manned landing on the Moon, July 20 1969.

1992 - A TU-154 cargo plane crashes in the suburbs of Tbilisi, Georgia, killing forty.

JoAILES · Post by **JoAILES** » 02 Aug 2006, 13:40

Louis Blériot (July 1, 1872 – August 2, 1936) was a French inventor and engineer. He performed the first flight over a large body of water in a heavier-than-air craft.

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are balloons aircraft?

anyway

33 years ago today,

today 1942

today 20th july

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