Libyan Arab Airlines BAC 111

[Lien]

• I just found interesting Libyan Arab Airlines information.
  
  http://www.airliners.net/open.file/444089/M/
  
  A BAC 111. First I thought we were in the 70's. But no,
  it's real, it's very recent. And with Libyan reg.
  
  Are so desperate ?
  
  777 knows more about Libya. Can you inform me ?
  
  
  Lien !

[777]

• 777 knows more about Libya. Can you inform me ?

  
  Yes I know a lot about it, but not about this plane.
  
  It is very strange to take in 2003 a plane as a BAC 111
  into service. Like you said, they must be very desperate.
  
  I thought they were planning to reintroduce A320's.
  
  Maybe they prefer to reg. in their country(5A).
  
  We must find a new Libyan luchtzak member.
  
  See you
  
  Andre

[Lien]

I see their A300's are registrated in
Tunis. Some also in Jordan.

Lien !

[Lyulka]

luqa is the best place in Europe to see the 111, a lot of aircaft pass their for maintenance before moving back to Africa.

[Lien]

• luqa is the best place in Europe to see the 111, a lot of aircaft pass their for maintenance before moving back to Africa.

  
  LAA have almost all their overhauls at Luqa.
  
  Lien !

[Skystef]

Are so desperate ?

Just a matter of taste, and if U ask me a very good one.
This BAC1-11 with c/n 158 build in 1970 is not just an ordinary plane, but the inside is full of luxury, it served as a VIP plane from 1978 till 1999 for some Sheikhs of Saudi Arabia.
Now it will go to Colonel Khadafi's entourage (or himself) and i suppose the seatpitch will be a bit more than on a low cost carrier .

SS

[Lien]

• Two more pics of the BAC 111.
  
  
  http://www.airliners.net/open.file/436540/M/
  http://www.airliners.net/open.file/439462/M/
  
  Lien !

[Avro]

luqa is the best place in Europe to see the 111, a lot of aircaft pass their for maintenance before moving back to Africa.

Are there still that much 111's flying

Chris
8)

[Lien]

• It seems according to recent info that 84 of the 245 planes built are still in service.
  Most of them in Nigeria.
  
  Lien !

[Avro]

Thanks for the quick reply Lien

[Lien]

It has been a pleasure.

Lien !

[gliding-glider]

Nice plan (allthough perfo wise not so good, certainly <500 series), still valuable and thrustfull.

Greetz

[Lien]

• Nice plan (allthough perfo wise not so good, certainly <500 series),

  What do you mean. High fuel consumption ?
  
  Lien !

[gliding-glider]

What do you mean. High fuel consumption ?

.... range against payload .... not the best aircraft ever build.

But again ..... thrustfull and valuable bird ! ! !

Greetz

[Lien]

• .... not the best aircraft ever build

  That's right.
  
  In fact I never liked this plane, as so many others.
  
  But in this case I was more surprised by LAA's plane
  choice than the Bac 111 itself.
  
  Lien !

[Skystef]

It seems according to recent info that 84 of the 245 planes built are still in service.
Most of them in Nigeria.

For your information all Nigerian BAC1-11 are grounded since the severe crash of the EAS plane back on May 4 2002. So U can deduct more than 40 machines from this list.
About 30 or so are in use as an executive plane, leaving less than a dozen in the commercial circuit.

SkyStef

[Lien]

Thanks for the info Q707,

LAA's plane is also a VIP.

Lien !

[SN30952]

What do you mean. High fuel consumption ? .... range against payload .... not the best aircraft ever build. But again ..... thrustfull and valuable bird ! ! ! Greetz

I remember, British Caledonian (BR @ that time) was flying one weekly between LGW and BJL, with stop in LPA.

Nice view, and I think they had to limit the number of pax too, as I never 've seen more than 65pax disembarking.
Also the nose wheel made a lot of noise on the Banjul runway then, now 3.6 km runway (the third longest in Africa). But I can't remember if BJL was called Yundum in the 7-ties.
B Cal was flying the BAC1-11 G-ASJC, G-AXJK, G-AXJL, G-AWYT, G-AWYU, G-AWYV, G-AZPZ, G-BJRT, G-BJRU.
As for the VC-10, the 1-11 was a great flying experience in the 5 or 6 front rows. In the last rows you had an engine almost near your ear... Excuse me, could you repeat your question in my other ear...
"You never wondered who was Sir Adam Thomson?"

Well, Sir Adam was the founder BRITISH CALEDONIAN AIRWAYS
Sir Adam Thomson, who has died aged 73, was the founder and chairman of British Caledonian, one of Britain's most successful independent airlines. From a single Douglas DC7 making charter flights in 1961, BCal grew to be the ninth largest European airline, with a fleet of 27 jet servicing almost 50 international destinations.

G-AOIE, the "City of Perth", (cn 45115)
In 1951 he joined British European Airways (BEA) and two years later he became a captain with West African Airways, based in Lagos. From there he transferred to Britavia, transporting troops around Africa and to Singapore.
In partnership with a former BEA steward, John de la Haye, he raised $54,000 from investors -including some Scottish Americans- to charter a DC7 on a pay-as-you-fly basis from the Belgian airline Sabena*. The first Caledonian Airways flight was a charter carrying immigrants from Barbados on St Andrew's Day 1961.
The airline survived a tragic early setback when one of its first planes crashed in Africa with the loss of 100 lives.
By 1968 Caledonian was running Boeing 707s regularly from Gatwick to New York, Los Angeles and Singapore.
In New York on one occasion in the Sixties, negotiating a loan for new aircraft, he received an urgent call to say that the pilot of a B Cal New York-Bermuda flight had been taken ill. "You're the nearest pilot, chairman," said the caller. "There's a uniform waiting in the cockpit" "So I flew the darned thing," Thomson recalled. "And I loved it."
BEA and BOAC merged, in 1971, as British Airways, that was Sir Adam's biggest competitor then.
On St Andrew's Day 1970 as British Caledonian, the airline acquired schedules routes to South America, West Africa, Europe and within Britain and later several to America.
After the 1973-74 oil crisis B Cal was temporarily brought to its knees. Planes were grounded and staff laid off, but Thomson fought back, and by the end of the decade B Cal was carrying two million passengers a year. It provided more than half of the traffic at Gatwick, and acquired new routes to Hong Kong and (after Laker Airways' collapse in 1982) New York and Los Angeles.
Later, in 1983, B Cal suffered a series of blows. It lost its Buenos Aires route because of the Falklands war, and Tripoli because of tensions with Libya. In 1987, B Cal's lucrative helicopter service between Heathrow and Gatwick was halted on environmental grounds.
As B Cal weakened, BA was going from strength to strength: BA decided to end competition from B Cal by a £235 million takeover bid.
The merger was approved by the Monopolies and Mergers Commission on condition that some of B Cal's domestic and European routes would be surrendered to smaller carriers. Thomson responded* by inviting Scandinavian Airlines System to become a major shareholder in BCAL, but an increased bid from BA won the day. Though only 61 and in full vigour, Thomson retired rather than sit on the board of the merged airline.
He wrote High Risk: The Politics of the Air (1990) and my bottom line.

Sir Adam also was always kind to Sabena, remember the cooperation.
* Sabena was too weak, but remember the days that our Carlos was talking with Johanson?

[website-info]

Hi All,

In addition to this VIP 1-11 for the Colonel, LAA have recently purchased another 5 1-11's from various Nigerian / Sierre Leone sources......

What's next we ask...

Tony

[777]

Hi SN30952, I rember British Caledonian
very well. They also had Bristol Britannia's
where the seats were in a for us backward position.
A bit bizarre if you are not used to look backwards.

About the Bac 1-11, there was also the RomBac
which was a 1-11 licence manufactured in
Roumania.

Andre