Aero lloyd Germany bankrupt...

ANR1972 · Post by **ANR1972** » 16 Oct 2003, 12:13

Aero Lloyd doesn't fly anymore

The Bavarian Landesbank doesn't accept the new cost effective project

The Airline Aero Lloyd announced its insolvability today. As the airline near Frankfurt announced on Thursday, all flights were stopped at 06 am. The new project to finance the airline has been rejected by the Bavarian Landesbank.

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Aero Lloyd fliegt nicht mehr

Bayerische Landesbank lehnt Sanierungskonzept ab

Die Fluggesellschaft Aero Lloyd hat Insolvenz angemeldet. Wie die Fluggesellschaft aus Oberursel bei Frankfurt am Donnerstag mitteilte, wurde der Flugbetrieb um 06.00 Uhr eingestellt. Ein Sanierungsplan des Unternehmens sei von der Bayerischen Landesbank als größtem Kreditgeber nicht gebilligt worden.

von: www.zdf.de
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Avro · Post by **Avro** » 16 Oct 2003, 13:11

Indeed it's a very sad news

Those poor ex-sabena planes are again grounded

Chris

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 16 Oct 2003, 13:20

Just have a look at those two pics:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/243396/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/271185/L/

Chris

Lien · Post by **Lien** » 16 Oct 2003, 13:23

How many Airbus 320series did they have ?

Lien !

Post by **sn26567** » 16 Oct 2003, 13:37

Avro wrote:Just have a look at those two pics

Striking pictures, Chris. Thanks for posting the links. I never saw those hybrids before.

Skystef · Post by **Skystef** » 16 Oct 2003, 13:41

If true, indeed sad news, the last AEF log was noted @ ebbr with the Bayern soccer team on October 1.

Eight A320s and eleven A321's are grounded now.

SS

Skystef · Post by **Skystef** » 16 Oct 2003, 13:50

sn26567 wrote:I never saw those hybrids before.

When on summer holiday 2002 in Switserland a saw a "Sabena A320" passing 10km above me. First thought: Sabena is back in this fata morgana

. Later i found out that Aero Lloyd was leasing this ex Sabena plane still with the beautiful S design. Another illusion richer......

SS

777 · Post by **777** » 16 Oct 2003, 14:08

So the second hand market in Airbusses keeps
on growing.

Is that the reasons some new airlines opt
for A320's ?

andre

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 16 Oct 2003, 15:54

Not only Airbus, 777, ever looked at the number of 737's in the desert?

I was kind of shocked when I heard the news, who had expected this?

Sad, very sad...

Regards
Frederic

EB-Air · Post by **EB-Air** » 16 Oct 2003, 22:37

Sad news, indeed... Again a livery that will be disapear from our skies...

It appears to me that the "small", (read: independant) charter-airlines will disappear, so that the big touroperators can control the whole market... The big ones (TUI and Thomas Cook) are doing everything to let the independants dissapear, so that they can control the market (and the prices...)

Exemples enough:
* CityBird was replaced by Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium...
* Sobelair refused a take-over by TUI, now TUI is starting their own charter-airline... We will see what time brings for Sobelair...
* Aero Lloyd, flights will be taken over by... My guess is the touroperators own carriers...
* Condor is integrated, and changed name in Thomas Cook Powered by Condor...
* Hapag Lloyd changed its livery to the TUI-livery
* Same for Brittannia...
* JMC disappeared in favour of again Thomas Cook...

The big touroperators want to control every single aspect of our holidays, from, the moment we left our home till we are back home (how many hotels are already hold by them?)

Not so good for the "variety" in the air... All charter planes will look the same in a few years (if things continue like now...), we will only see TUI or TC-aircrafts...

I do still hope a miracle happens...

Regards,
Ben

Lien · Post by **Lien** » 17 Oct 2003, 00:12

sabena_690 wrote: Not only Airbus, 777, ever looked at the number of 737's in the desert?

I agree with 777.

I know the desert very well and there are several deserts.

The B737 is a very old aircraft in production since 1967 where the A320 only since 1988(1989?). So it exists twice as long.
More than 4000 of them are in service.
So proportionally there are less on the second hand market.
Any given time of the day there are 1200 B737's in the air.

Lien !

OO-SBZ · Post by **OO-SBZ** » 17 Oct 2003, 00:13

EB-Air wrote:Sad news, indeed... Again a livery that will be disapear from our skies...

It appears to me that the "small", (read: independant) charter-airlines will disappear, so that the big touroperators can control the whole market... The big ones (TUI and Thomas Cook) are doing everything to let the independants dissapear, so that they can control the market (and the prices...)

Exemples enough:
* CityBird was replaced by Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium...
* Sobelair refused a take-over by TUI, now TUI is starting their own charter-airline... We will see what time brings for Sobelair...
* Aero Lloyd, flights will be taken over by... My guess is the touroperators own carriers...
* Condor is integrated, and changed name in Thomas Cook Powered by Condor...
* Hapag Lloyd changed its livery to the TUI-livery
* Same for Brittannia...
* JMC disappeared in favour of again Thomas Cook...

The big touroperators want to control every single aspect of our holidays, from, the moment we left our home till we are back home (how many hotels are already hold by them?)

Not so good for the "variety" in the air... All charter planes will look the same in a few years (if things continue like now...), we will only see TUI or TC-aircrafts...

I do still hope a miracle happens...

Regards,
Ben

Ben,

I fully agree with you. I could have written your text word for word!
Let's hope SLR will get out of trouble...

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 17 Oct 2003, 07:54

Their slogan was : Fly my way.....

I hope nobody else does!
AEROLLOYD.DE is closed. Only a press info is shown: PRESSEINFORMATION
Aero Lloyd muss Insolvenz anmelden
Bayerische Landesbank lehnt Sanierungskonzept ab.

Again people who got their ticket directly from the airline are dupe...
The passengers who hold a ticket from a travel agent, will be brought to destination at the travel agent agents insurance expenses.

Aero Lloyd had 1400 staff, 21 Airbus, about 60 holiday destinations in 13 countries.

Don't mistake one for the other AeroLLoyd is an other company.
AeroLLoyd is an Aircraft Financing & Leasingcompany. With double capital LL.

AeroLLoyd was established in 1967 in Holland by its founder, Jack van Tilburg. The company, in its first years of existence, offered worldwide support to airlines and flight operators as an Aviation Consulting Firm. Due to increased demand for aircraft financing and leasing, AeroLLoyd branched out as an independent finance organization.
AeroLLoyd's commercial aircraft activities have involved the following aircraft:
Boeing 747-100/200/300
Airbus A300-B4-200
Boeing 767-200/300
Airbus A300
Boeing 757-200
Douglas DC-10
Boeing 727-100/200
Douglas DC-9
Boeing 737-200/300
Douglas MD-11
Lockheed L1011
Embraer Brazilia
BAe Jetstream 31
AeroLLoyd's corporate aircraft activities have involved the following aircraft:
Gulfstream
Boeing 727-100 Exec.
Challenger 600
Falcon 10/20/50
LearJet
Cessna Citation
KingAir B100/200
Beech 1900
KingAir C-90
Cessna 208 Caravan
Private Planes
Cessna 172/182/210/206/207
Cessna 340/421
Piper Archer
Piper Seneca II
Helicopters
Bell 206L
MD 500E
Euro AS 350B
Here one of their aircraft, operating for AIRTRAN

For the ones that keep records on gone-airlines here is the Schedule of AeroLloyd

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 17 Oct 2003, 08:05

EB-Air wrote:The big touroperators want to control every single aspect of our holidays, from, the moment we left our home till we are back home (how many hotels are already hold by them?) Regards, Ben

Ben, that is called vertical integration, and that process was already set out many years ago.

Once tourism got INDUSTRY it had to get vertical.
Same goes for food, specially fast food, these companies have their own catlle..., transport, factories, sales outlets, finance companies and ... potato farms.

Post by **sn26567** » 17 Oct 2003, 08:50

Latest News: About 8,000 tourists, customers of Aero Lloyd, are stranded in several countries. Thomas Cook and LTU are organising flights to bring them back home.

A318 · Post by **A318** » 17 Oct 2003, 12:42

Transavia is one of the airlines taking care of some passengers.

Erwin

Lien · Post by **Lien** » 18 Oct 2003, 13:37

On ZDF Top 7 at 13.05h they showed pictures of the Aero Llyod
planes standing parked at airports.

Sniff........it makes remember ........

Lien !

Lien · Post by **Lien** » 20 Oct 2003, 21:58

On ZDF Heute Journal at 21.45 they showed pilots and
flight attendants driving with busses through Munich
to show off their anger.

This in front of the banks that killed the airline(Aero Lloyd).

Images very similar to the Sabena situation.

They also showed pilots visiting their empty A320series.

A real pitty.

Lien !

Lien · Post by **Lien** » 21 Oct 2003, 00:53

On ZDF Heute Journal at 21.45 they showed pilots and
flight attendants driving with busses through Munich
to show off their anger.

They reshowed the pictures at 00.45 at ARD.

Lien !

Post by **sn26567** » 21 Oct 2003, 09:56

Lien wrote:This in front of the banks that killed the airline(Aero Lloyd).

It's not the banks that killed Aero Lloyd, but bad management. The bank only tried to avert wider losses.

Aviation24.be

Aero lloyd Germany bankrupt...

Aero lloyd Germany bankrupt...

AEROLLOYD.DE Website closed...

That's vertical...