- You can aquire "knowledge" through learning , but "experience" you can only get
through time.
In life the latter is the most important one.
"Experience" is also very often synonymous of "beeing capable of".
I konw many people having their degrees, but are they capable ?
The opposite mostly has far better results.
For example a young (or beginning) pilot might know more about
the latest planes and technology, but doesn't have the experience
of his elderly collegues.
In emergency situations(as I experienced myself), no doubt experience
of the pilot is by far most dominant.
Another example is Qantas. They never have very young pilots on their
longhaul flights. Qantas also never had a crash on its longhaul flights.
But then it is THE airline specialist on longhaul flights.
Their history is based on connecting Sydney/Melbourne with London(mother country).
The most stupid phrase ever appearing over and over again in the media
on people looking for jobs is: "young and experienced".
This is just not possible. By the way this phrase is hardly used
in the USA.
People of around the twenties think they know il all, I felt the same,
but it is totally wrong. Thus often they are very sensible and react
(as they "know it all" already) before thinking.
They will almost always refuse to admit mistakes which makes it
even worse.
And in some situations this might lead to catastrophy.
I made this topic because it is something generally forgotten although
SO "important in life".
Lien !
Knowledge and Experience
Knowledge and Experience
Re: Knowledge and Experience
Would you trust John Travolta as a Qantas pilot(*) on your long-haul flight?Lien wrote:Another example is Qantas. They never have very young pilots on their longhaul flights. Qantas also never had a crash on its longhaul flights. But then it is THE airline specialist on longhaul flights.
Their history is based on connecting Sydney/Melbourne with London(mother country).
(*) Not a joke!
André
ex Sabena #26567
ex Sabena #26567
I agree with you to some extent. I think that experience is very important, but in most jobs, the 2 can't go without each other. In your example of a pilot, the degree and the good knowledge and understanding of the aircraft are for sure also very important. Saying that experience alone is the most important is judging knowledge wrongly, since you normally get only experience if you proved to have sufficient knowledge. (and if of course you don't forget it afterwards).
I agree that experience is very important in emergency situations, but then again, you can only get experience by experiencing it yourself, and there always has to be a first time)
In my opinion most people in their twenties don't think they know it all, but they do are critical, because you learn the most like that. I, being 22, am in my last year of university, and i'm sure that i don't know it all, not even that i have much knowledge by now. As a professor once said: the only thing you proved so far is that you can study, but the knowledge will come later, when you work.
Young people indeed sometimes have problems admitting their mistakes, but if "experienced" people explain them why they are wrong, they will accept. Fact is that many experienced people don't explain it well, just tell them: "you are wrong" with not much further explanation. If you try to be a critical young person, that isn't the answer you are searching for.
Of course in some situations it isn't possible to always explain it all, but nevertheless it doesn't happen enough in my opinion.
Knowledge is something you can acquire, experience comes by time, whether you want it or not. But you only get it from experiencing things, and getting positive critics. "Being capable of" comes from the combination of knowledge and experience, not just one of the two.
I hope that when i graduate, and i start working, i will have a boss that doesn't put me in a corner because i'm not experienced enough, but one that makes me do many things, if necessary with supervision, to make me more experienced. Nevertheless without the knowledge i wouldn't even find a job... 8)
Greetings,
Pieter
I agree that experience is very important in emergency situations, but then again, you can only get experience by experiencing it yourself, and there always has to be a first time)
In my opinion most people in their twenties don't think they know it all, but they do are critical, because you learn the most like that. I, being 22, am in my last year of university, and i'm sure that i don't know it all, not even that i have much knowledge by now. As a professor once said: the only thing you proved so far is that you can study, but the knowledge will come later, when you work.
Young people indeed sometimes have problems admitting their mistakes, but if "experienced" people explain them why they are wrong, they will accept. Fact is that many experienced people don't explain it well, just tell them: "you are wrong" with not much further explanation. If you try to be a critical young person, that isn't the answer you are searching for.
Of course in some situations it isn't possible to always explain it all, but nevertheless it doesn't happen enough in my opinion.
Knowledge is something you can acquire, experience comes by time, whether you want it or not. But you only get it from experiencing things, and getting positive critics. "Being capable of" comes from the combination of knowledge and experience, not just one of the two.
I hope that when i graduate, and i start working, i will have a boss that doesn't put me in a corner because i'm not experienced enough, but one that makes me do many things, if necessary with supervision, to make me more experienced. Nevertheless without the knowledge i wouldn't even find a job... 8)
Greetings,
Pieter
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I agree to some extent, but as for experience of pilots, how many pilots who have knowledge of a serious disaster through experience had lived to tell the tale?
The very fact that pilots enjoy a long career is testament to the fact that they do not have experience of serious disasters.
Slightly off the topic, but in England it can be impossible to gain any job experience when you pass the age of 25 (employers receive financial rewards from the government for each under 25 they employ). So the assumption that older people always have the relevant experience and younger ones do not is not, sadly, the case. The younger ones in the future will be the only ones with work experience.
I graduated from university last year with a BSc (science degree), and I have not been able to get a job because I have no experience. I have no experience because I am the wrong side of 25 (just). I am now doing a computer course to give me what is (hopefully) going to be a valuable qualification to allow me to look for work in a different field.
The very fact that pilots enjoy a long career is testament to the fact that they do not have experience of serious disasters.
Slightly off the topic, but in England it can be impossible to gain any job experience when you pass the age of 25 (employers receive financial rewards from the government for each under 25 they employ). So the assumption that older people always have the relevant experience and younger ones do not is not, sadly, the case. The younger ones in the future will be the only ones with work experience.
I graduated from university last year with a BSc (science degree), and I have not been able to get a job because I have no experience. I have no experience because I am the wrong side of 25 (just). I am now doing a computer course to give me what is (hopefully) going to be a valuable qualification to allow me to look for work in a different field.
Sabena and Sobelair - gone but never forgotten.
Louise
Louise
SN 26567 wrote :
Would you trust John Travolta as a Qantas pilot(*) on your long-haul flight? icon_wink.gif
(*) Not a joke!
Just an other true story about that particular Quantas pilot :
On July 20th, 2003 John Travolta participated with his personal Boeing 707 N-707JT at the Dayton Air Show. In the cockpit he was in company of John Glenn, former US astronaut. After T/O and some fly-bye's, he was ready to land, untill the control tower draw his attention to the fact that he was making his approch on the taxi way instead of the runway !!!
His reaction on the radio was : " Oops !!! I'll go around and try it once again"
Seems to me like : "Not so young and not so experienced"
This isn't a joke neither, as I heard this conversation, being on board of an other aircraft, also participating at the Dayton Air Show.
Some pictures of this Air Show, and John's 707 can be seen on my website
Would you trust John Travolta as a Qantas pilot(*) on your long-haul flight? icon_wink.gif
(*) Not a joke!
Just an other true story about that particular Quantas pilot :
On July 20th, 2003 John Travolta participated with his personal Boeing 707 N-707JT at the Dayton Air Show. In the cockpit he was in company of John Glenn, former US astronaut. After T/O and some fly-bye's, he was ready to land, untill the control tower draw his attention to the fact that he was making his approch on the taxi way instead of the runway !!!
His reaction on the radio was : " Oops !!! I'll go around and try it once again"
Seems to me like : "Not so young and not so experienced"
This isn't a joke neither, as I heard this conversation, being on board of an other aircraft, also participating at the Dayton Air Show.
Some pictures of this Air Show, and John's 707 can be seen on my website
Travolta is not a Qantas pilot, he just let his aircraft be paintedsn26567 wrote: Would you trust John Travolta as a Qantas pilot(*) on your long-haul flight?
in the original Qantas livery in the 60's.(probably for money)
His has a captian degree(not the word, but I can't find exact term)
and uses his own plane. It is a B707-120(short version).
It's just a promotion agreement.
Sorry I don't have time, I will be back for futher comment to "Comet"
and ...
Lien !
- Hi Comet,
I am sorry that you don't find a job, but in Belgium
25 isn't really a braking point.
Does the "B" in BSc stand for bachelor ?
Right, but nowadays there is a higher survival rate.how many pilots who have knowledge of a serious disaster through experience had lived to tell the tale?
Lien !
Hi again!
Indeed Lien, you could be right. But i guess that it goes both ways:
For young people not so easy to find a job because they generally ask for people with experience.
And for "older" people not easy to find a job because they also ask for knowledge in the form of a degree.
I guess every group sees it the way it affects them most...
But i only reacted because i thought that the part about "young people always thinking they are right" was a little bit too strong. And also knowledge you can always still acquire by studying, experience you can't get if nobody wants to employ you...
Nevertheless, i have good hopes to find a decent job when i graduate! Hopefully it won't just stay hope...
Bye everyone!
Pieter
Indeed Lien, you could be right. But i guess that it goes both ways:
For young people not so easy to find a job because they generally ask for people with experience.
And for "older" people not easy to find a job because they also ask for knowledge in the form of a degree.
I guess every group sees it the way it affects them most...
But i only reacted because i thought that the part about "young people always thinking they are right" was a little bit too strong. And also knowledge you can always still acquire by studying, experience you can't get if nobody wants to employ you...
Nevertheless, i have good hopes to find a decent job when i graduate! Hopefully it won't just stay hope...
Bye everyone!
Pieter
Hi Lien,
Thank you for the appreciation of my web site.
The C-130 is neither an USAF or a RAAF one but one of the Belgian Air Force.
It's a rather "old" picture token on April 1st 1994, during a trainings flight over the Channel.
With my rather good datebase, even 9 years later I still can find out, where and when pictures has been taken. And now working -partly- digital I even can say it to the second.
Thank you for the appreciation of my web site.
The C-130 is neither an USAF or a RAAF one but one of the Belgian Air Force.
It's a rather "old" picture token on April 1st 1994, during a trainings flight over the Channel.
With my rather good datebase, even 9 years later I still can find out, where and when pictures has been taken. And now working -partly- digital I even can say it to the second.
Re: Knowledge and Experience
Indeed, Lien, after having acquired "knowledge" and "experience", TIME is the most important one...Lien wrote:You can aquire "knowledge" through learning , but "experience" you can only get through time. In life the latter is the most important one. Lien !
The right "knowledge" and the right "experience" at the right TIME aka "the right man* on the right place".
Why is experience expensive? Because time is money.
Knowledge is replaceable, sometimes quickly and in a short TIME notice....
"Knowledge" and "Experience" are 'commodities' one comes sometimes with arrogance, the other more often with modesty. I know and experienced it, some people invert the 'with---', from time to time.
*or woman