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Avro · Post by **Avro** » 11 Oct 2003, 18:07

I know that DAT used the ERJ 120 in former days. I didn't knew that you could still porder ERJ 120's

From where do you have this information

I've checked on Embraer's site and it says that DAT ordered 10 ERJ 120's, but I think this is the amount of planes they were flying in the beginning of their existance (a loooooong time ago).

DOnt worry Demol, I'm pretty sure they won't be using old ERJ 120's again

Ciao
Chris
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Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 11 Oct 2003, 18:40

Sounds extremely unlikely to me.

I don't know if this company still exists, but isn't there also another DAT, Danish Air Transport? They use(d) Fokkers...

The chance that SN will order turboprops is almost non existant I think, and absolutely nothing is decided yet about the fleet renewal (following a friend with a very high position within SN).

Regards
Frederic

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 11 Oct 2003, 18:46

I found out that Delta Air Transport nv/sa (trading as SN Brussels Airlines)

Was the 'trading as SNBA' also listed where you got the info?

Anyway, IMO they will go for ERJ145 and ERJ170

Regards
Frederic

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 11 Oct 2003, 19:01

SNBA has NOT ordered any EMB120's.

Look in the firm order list on the site of embraer, they just list all firm orders, also if the airline doesn't fly them anymore. Also Luxair is taken up with three EMB120's while they don't fly them anymore.

Regards
Frederic

EBAW_flyer · Post by **EBAW_flyer** » 11 Oct 2003, 19:41

I saw the same mistake on an other site lol

. DAT has used the EMB120 out of Antwerp (EBAW) before they merged with Sabena.

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 11 Oct 2003, 22:01

Sabena_690 wrote:
I found out that Delta Air Transport nv/sa (trading as SN Brussels Airlines)
Was the 'trading as SNBA' also listed where you got the info? Anyway, IMO they will go for ERJ145 and ERJ170 Regards Frederic

That EMB list is this...
EMB 120

The list is 'Updated 08.20.2003'
and
Search results:http://www.embraer.com.br/english/conte ... busca=snba
snba
No matches found.

Lien · Post by **Lien** » 11 Oct 2003, 23:25

Note that DAT before merger with Sabena was founded by Freddy Van Gaever, from VG Airlines.

Lien !

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 11 Oct 2003, 23:49

Demol,

I think it were these aircrafts:

OO-DTF EMBRAER 120RT BRASILIA 120-082 PT-SKZ,OO-DTF,PH-XLF, . . . . . . . . . .
OO-DTG EMBRAER 120ER BRASILIA 120-087 PT-SME,OO-DTG,F-GTSG,PH-BRS,F-GTSG, . . . . . . .
OO-DTH EMBRAER 120RT BRASILIA 120-104 PT-SMW,OO-DTH,F-GTSH, . . . . . . . . . .
OO-DTI EMBRAER 120RT BRASILIA 120-121 PT-SNN,OO-DTI,PH-XLG,N331CR,. . . . . . . . .
OO-DTJ EMBRAER 120RT BRASILIA > 120ER BRASILIA 120-123 PT-SNP,OO-DTJ,F-GTSI, . . . . . . . . . .
OO-DTK EMBRAER 120ER BRASILIA 120-149 PT-SPO,OO-DTK,PH-MGX,F-GLRG,. . . . . . . . .
OO-DTL EMBRAER 120RT BRASILIA 120-176 PT-SQO,OO-DTL,F-GTSJ, . . . . . . . . . .
OO-DTM EMBRAER 120RT BRASILIA 120-213 PT-SSH,(OO-DTM),OO-MTD,F-GTSK, . . . . . . . .
OO-DTN EMBRAER 120ER BRASILIA 120-235 PT-STH,OO-DTN,PH-BRI,LX-RCT,F-GTSP, . . . . . . .
OO-DTO EMBRAER 120RT BRASILIA 120-253 PT-STZ,OO-DTO,(PH-BRJ),PH-BRK,F-GMMU, . .

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=113864

Greetz,

Dave

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 11 Oct 2003, 23:56

liebensd wrote:I think it were these aircrafts:...Greetz, Dave

You scooped that up, Dave...

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 13 Oct 2003, 05:46

demol wrote:
Fons wrote:You scooped that up, Dave...
...And there goes my neck Maybe I better :shutup: in the future Regards, demol.

Dear demol NEVER, NEVER :shutup:

There were two issues to the scoop: Either Dave scooped it up, either SNBA came with a reply. Then again either, either. Either SNBA confirms, or denies...

But I suggest, that goes for myself too, that when we have what we think is a scoop, we test it first with some other members, before going 'on air' with it. I'm sure nobody will nick a member's scoop.

I saw the same mistake on an other site lol... It wasn't me

That's great fun...
And this, could somebody explain to us:

since SN Brussels Airlines juridically doesn't exist.

Juridical means
(a.) Pertaining to a judge or to jurisprudence; acting in the distribution of justice; used in courts of law; according to law; legal; as, juridical law.

Do I read: since SN Brussels Airlines legally doesn't exist?

THAT is impossible... An airline operating without legality?
Read the general conditions of transportation, IATA ruling, how can SNBA issue these tickets in case SN Brussels Airlines juridically doesn't exist.

You see demol, with your scoop, you make us doubt about the legality of SN Brussels Airlines.
You see what you have done with your scoop, demol, if it is found out that SNBA is operating illegally, it has to stop. It will be your fault.

I hope we find the right answer, otherwise SNBA has to stop exsisting...?

Therefor, not therefor, but therefor, dear demol NEVER, NEVER :shutup:

Make people think, reflect on things.

Post by **sn26567** » 13 Oct 2003, 10:58

For the Belgian law, only DAT is a legal company, responsible for its balance sheet. DAT operates an airline that is called SN Brussels Airlines.

On the SN planes you still can read "operated by DAT" (unless operated by Birdy for the A330s).

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 13 Oct 2003, 11:08

sn26567 wrote:For the Belgian law, only DAT is a legal company, responsible for its balance sheet. DAT operates an airline that is called SN Brussels Airlines.

On the SN planes you still can read "operated by DAT" (unless operated by Birdy for the A330s).

I wondered why the "operated by DAT" label was still displayed on the Avro RJs of SNBA.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 13 Oct 2003, 14:17

friend of mine (we studied together at MIT & Harvard Business School in Boston & Emirates Aviation College in Dubai) who works with Embraer, sent me an e-mail that SN took an option on 10 Embraer aircraft

So they took an option on 10 ERJ's

I hope we'll know more soon

Chris
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Post by **sn26567** » 13 Oct 2003, 15:27

Avro wrote:So they took an option on 10 ERJ's

Let me express my strong opinion here that their best choice would be the ERJ 135/140/145 family. They have sufficient planes with a larger capacity.

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 13 Oct 2003, 15:31

Best would be Boeing 717.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 13 Oct 2003, 15:34

I would prefer the B717 like Comet

It's a wonderfull plane which has proven to be very reliable

Ciao
Chris
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Lien · Post by **Lien** » 13 Oct 2003, 16:25

I thaught 'EMBRAER 120's' weren't made anymore ?

Lien !

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 13 Oct 2003, 16:28

Lien wrote:
I thaught 'EMBRAER 120's' weren't made anymore ?

Lien !

That's what I also so thought (see my first post in this topic ), but apparently nobody is was thinking that way

Chris
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SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 13 Oct 2003, 22:23

sn26567 wrote:For the Belgian law, only DAT is a legal company, responsible for its balance sheet. DAT operates an airline that is called SN Brussels Airlines.

On the SN planes you still can read "operated by DAT" (unless operated by Birdy for the A330s).

The AOC is issued to who, Andre?

AA has eg lots of operated by's, but the transportation contract is always AA.
If DAT is the airline, the transportation contract, of which the ticket or AWB is a part, should label DAT as the carrier.

So one of the (legal) IATA rules is that where these documents are handed to clients, passengers or their representatives, shippers or their representatives (for cargo), the full conditions of carriage should be available to them.

So could somebody go to the nearest SNBA sales outlet and ask to seen this document. (If case this document is not present or not available, we have a IATA breach, that will be used by every lawyer in a case against the company.)

This document shows the carrier and a legally responsible person. When we know that, two names, we have an answer to the above Q.

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