European blacklist has become effective

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 14 Mar 2006, 18:33

This week, European legislators will come together to decide about the definitive blacklist of airlines that will be banned from the European airspace. The list should then become effective by the end of this month.

The blacklist will detail the identity of airlines that will be banned from European Airspace. It will be published on the internet and in the EU's official record.

A senior source in the EC: “There will be a real right to defence for airlines. They can be represented by a lawyer and can also request to be assisted by the national aviation authorities of the country where they are certificated.”

SOURCE: Flight International

sn26567: title changed after publication of blacklist

regi · Post by **regi** » 14 Mar 2006, 18:49

I am curious to see what will happen with Silverback.
This line:
They can be represented by a lawyer and can also request to be assisted by the national aviation authorities of the country where they are certificated

raises some questions:

a lawyer from Ruanda?
certification?
a ruandan aviation authority?

Just questions, dear members, just questions, nothing more.

n5528p · Post by **n5528p** » 17 Mar 2006, 09:03

@ Regi

Actually, they can choose every lawyer and even in Ruanda someone will be - at least on the paper - be responsible for civil aviation safety.

Anyway, I am gflad that it took lees than a year to copy & paste all the national blacklists into one document. I know kids in Kindergarten who could do that in approx.. 10 minutes (and this includes the consumption of half a liter of ice cream :frusty: ).

Regards, Bernhard

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 17 Mar 2006, 10:51

press release from the EU (15th March 2006):

http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressRelease ... anguage=en

regulation:
http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/lex/LexUri ... 150022.pdf

names on the blacklist:

please wait till 27th March 2006...

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Direct link to the Dutch text of the regulation:
http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/lex/LexUri ... 150022.pdf

Same in French:

http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/lex/LexUri ... 150022.pdf

Und in Deutsch (different source):
http://www.luftrecht-online.de/regelwer ... nehmen.pdf

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 21 Mar 2006, 23:05

this is just a reminder :

the EU blacklist will be published on Wednesday 22 March 2006!

(seems there are 90 carriers on it, mostly cargo)

tolipanebas · Post by **tolipanebas** » 21 Mar 2006, 23:13

Crossing my fingers Hewa Bora will NOT be on the list (something the UK was pressing for), because otherwise SN better don't send one of their A330s to FIH on March 23rd, or their may be an administrative problem with the flight in Kinshasa....

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 22 Mar 2006, 00:03

I'm sure you can place bets in the UK on which airlines will be on the list. Betting is in their blood.

regi · Post by **regi** » 22 Mar 2006, 01:27

the list is known partially already. The ban is partial.
And yes, Hewa Bora is on it, limiting its activities partially. Same for Biman and Air Koryo, the North-Korea Airline.
The bet is open: is Silverback fully blacklisted or just partially?
"If you want to crash airplanes, do it in your own garden"

OO-VEX · Post by **OO-VEX** » 22 Mar 2006, 12:51

Here is the blacklist

http://europa.eu.int/comm/transport/air ... ist_en.pdf

regi wrote:And yes, Hewa Bora is on it, limiting its activities partially. Same for Biman and Air Koryo, the North-Korea Airline.

Biman is not on the blacklist, you are confusing Biman with another airline: Air Bangladesh; which is only allowed to operate a B747 to Europe.

OO-VEX

Post by **sn26567** » 22 Mar 2006, 13:11

Hewa Bora is the only Congolese airline allowed to fly, but its L1011 is banned! How will they fly to Europe?

And, not surprisingly, Silverback is on the blacklist!

As tolipanebas said, if I were SN, I would not fly neither to Kinshasa, nor to Kigali (where, by the way, flights have not yet resumed!).

jelger · Post by **jelger** » 22 Mar 2006, 13:18

sn26567 wrote:Hewa Bora is the only Congolese airline allowed to fly, but its L1011 is banned! How will they fly to Europe?

scroll down to bottom of next page , footnote 4:

4. Hewa Bora Airways is only allowed to use the specific aircraft mentioned for its current operations within the
European Community.

in other words, the specified L1011 is the only one allowed. well, that is how i understand it...

Post by **sn26567** » 22 Mar 2006, 13:23

You might be right, but the text is not very clear...

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 22 Mar 2006, 13:43

Hah, they put all airlines from a few countries on the list, no wonder the list is so long.

jelger · Post by **jelger** » 22 Mar 2006, 13:52

yeah, same here, yesterday when they announced 90 i was like "wooo".. and now... oh well..

regi · Post by **regi** » 22 Mar 2006, 14:20

Thank you for the correction, moderator. I made a too fast assumption that the text made a clarification of Biman, but I didn't double check myself.
Question now is why Biman is not on the list.

jelger · Post by **jelger** » 22 Mar 2006, 14:37

because they paid some bakshish

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 22 Mar 2006, 14:57

please also read this document about the blacklist:

http://europa.eu.int/comm/transport/air ... ion_en.pdf

omag · Post by **omag** » 22 Mar 2006, 15:01

African international airways is on the list... no more of this at Ebos?

Oh well, if they aren't safe...

L-1011 · Post by **L-1011** » 22 Mar 2006, 15:47

sn26567 wrote:You might be right, but the text is not very clear...

This morning I read the article about the blacklist in "La Libre Belgique" They seemed to interpret it as follows for Hewa Bora:

Hewa Bora Airways is not banned, only specific aircrafts of the company are banned to fly into the EC. LLB also interpreted that the L-1011 would be banned....

I see it the other way around when I look at the file released on the net: The TriStar is allowed to continue to fly weekly to BRU, but any other HBA aircraft are banned from the EC, and 9Q-CHC is only allowed to deserve existing EC routes i.e. BRU

:).

Oh and they made a mistake in the pdf, they wrote L-101 instead of L-1011

TriStar

fokker_f27 · Post by **fokker_f27** » 22 Mar 2006, 17:27

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europ ... rlines.ap/