Non-Schengen flights to terminal A?

OO-VEX · Post by **OO-VEX** » 06 Dec 2005, 20:05

Bowlie wrote:(why do Geneva flights always end up at the Schengen terminal?)

Because Switzerland is still not a Schengen country. Switzerland has voted to be part of the Schengen Convention earlier this year and they should join somewhere in 2007 or 2008.

OO-VEX

Did not read your question very well, but EBAW_flyer gave you the answer.

EBAW_flyer · Post by **EBAW_flyer** » 06 Dec 2005, 20:11

(why do Geneva flights always end up at the Schengen terminal?

Normaly they would depart at the non-shengen (B-) pier but because most of the times the inbound flights are from shengen countries and thus ending up in the A-pier. So by bus from B to A.

Bowlie · Post by **Bowlie** » 06 Dec 2005, 20:34

EBAW_flyer wrote:
(why do Geneva flights always end up at the Schengen terminal?
Normaly they would depart at the non-shengen (B-) pier but because most of the times the inbound flights are from shengen countries and thus ending up in the A-pier. So by bus from B to A.

Never been bused to an airplane on departure, the flights always leave from B. But more times than not the Geneva flights arrive at A, and as you say - you get bused to B. My question is, why can't the aircraft go to B, and if necessary they can tow it to A after we get off.

Also, since we are on the subject, whey they do bus you to B, why do they drop you off half way along the terminal, and not at the doors close to immigration controls. It seems designed to irritate the passengers, and doesn't do much for connecting passenger either.

Post by **Kapitein** » 08 Dec 2005, 19:28

Bowlie wrote:
EBAW_flyer wrote:
(why do Geneva flights always end up at the Schengen terminal?
Normaly they would depart at the non-shengen (B-) pier but because most of the times the inbound flights are from shengen countries and thus ending up in the A-pier. So by bus from B to A.
Never been bused to an airplane on departure, the flights always leave from B. But more times than not the Geneva flights arrive at A, and as you say - you get bused to B. My question is, why can't the aircraft go to B, and if necessary they can tow it to A after we get off.

Also, since we are on the subject, whey they do bus you to B, why do they drop you off half way along the terminal, and not at the doors close to immigration controls. It seems designed to irritate the passengers, and doesn't do much for connecting passenger either.

The morningdeparture to Geneva is always linked with a schengen-arrival, like EBAW_flyer said

Other reasons for departure on terminal A:

- Because it has, for us, a less then perfect ETD
- Terminal B is at that time always full and terminal A not
- We have to give priority to full non-schengen flights on the terminal B

Toxique · Post by **Toxique** » 09 Dec 2005, 19:08

I know that this is off tµopic but:

The main reason for the Geneva flights ending up at the A-terminal is because that airplane (for VEX) has to do a Schengen flight. It's a bit complicated if the ac first has to dock at the B-terminal for deboarding and maybe the cleaning and than has to be towed to the A-terminal. A lot of time is lost in this procedure and that is what counts in the airline industry... and of course it costs money as well...

This is certainly not to irritate passengers, the busses are always ready to bring the pax to the B-terminal.

Post by **sn26567** » 11 Dec 2005, 10:05

Toxique wrote:This is certainly not to irritate passengers, the busses are always ready to bring the pax to the B-terminal.

Yes, but right in the middle of Terminal B, from where it takes 5 minutes to walk to passport control. It would be much nicer to brig them near the passport control.

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 11 Dec 2005, 11:54

Not just Schengen-originating flights have ended up parked in A pier. When we flew from MAN a few weeks ago we parked in A and we had to be bussed to B. The aircraft was obviously then going to a Schengen country.

sab319 · Post by **sab319** » 11 Dec 2005, 13:56

the reverse happens too, sehegne originating flight continuing to a non shengen destination that parks at the B-pier

(It heppened to me in 2002 on my TCAB flight BRU-MAH that A320 would operate BRU-SSH afterwards and thus parked at B1, from where we where bussed to the shengen arrivals, which is right near the entry of the arrivals hall, thus cutting a lot of time not having to go through the catacombes)

Bowlie · Post by **Bowlie** » 12 Dec 2005, 14:02

sn26567 wrote:
Toxique wrote:This is certainly not to irritate passengers, the busses are always ready to bring the pax to the B-terminal.
Yes, but right in the middle of Terminal B, from where it takes 5 minutes to walk to passport control. It would be much nicer to brig them near the passport control.

My point exactly. Nice bus ride for plane spotting, but they drop you a fair walk from passport control. There are doors right at the passport control area, but for some reason they don't use them any more. I've heard quite a few fellow bus-riders comment on this, and their conclusion is that as SN doesn't have any competition on the Geneva - Brussels route they can afford to treat us poorly.

sab319 · Post by **sab319** » 12 Dec 2005, 16:18

Bowlie wrote:There are doors right at the passport control area, but for some reason they don't use them any more. I've heard quite a few fellow bus-riders comment on this, and their conclusion is that as SN doesn't have any competition on the Geneva - Brussels route they can afford to treat us poorly.

VEX flies GVA-BRU too ... , and those doors right at the passport control are now the shengen remote stands arrivals, see my story 2 posts above.

Bowlie · Post by **Bowlie** » 12 Dec 2005, 16:36

sab319 wrote:
Bowlie wrote:There are doors right at the passport control area, but for some reason they don't use them any more. I've heard quite a few fellow bus-riders comment on this, and their conclusion is that as SN doesn't have any competition on the Geneva - Brussels route they can afford to treat us poorly.
VEX flies GVA-BRU too ... , and those doors right at the passport control are now the shengen remote stands arrivals, see my story 2 posts above.

Was aware of VEX, but you can't exactly say they compete with SN - I also need a flexible ticket (i.e. change the return flight usually at the last minute).

But thank you for your answer why they don't use those doors

EBAW_flyer · Post by **EBAW_flyer** » 12 Dec 2005, 16:46

VEX and SNBA are bussed by the same ground handler being Flightcare

. The R1 (the one next to the arrivals hall) is used for shengen flights as there is no passport control there. The R5 and R6 (next to the B10) are used for non-shengen flights as they have to pass the controls before entering the arrivals hall.