VLM / Embraer or 319

Fuji-Monster · Post by **Fuji-Monster** » 22 Sep 2003, 20:51

What will it be ?

Greetz

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 22 Sep 2003, 20:56

Personally I think VLM will choose the ERJ 170, if it'll be one of those two.

Do I see OO-GUY as registrations

Ciao
Chris
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cyriusvirus · Post by **cyriusvirus** » 22 Sep 2003, 21:09

Very nice pictures...

I hope they'll chose the Embraer. But i have a question how do you repaint those drawings (PaintShop Pro ?) and on wich model

See you

777 · Post by **777** » 22 Sep 2003, 21:24

The Embraer 170 just has those winglets.

Andre

L-1011 · Post by **L-1011** » 22 Sep 2003, 22:09

I wonder:

Are those planes capable of landing on the ANW runway?
I'm pretty sure that the Airbus can't but how about the ERJ?

Wouldn't the A319 augment the capacity a little to much compared to their Fokkers? I don't think they have 100% LF

ciao,
TriStar

Andries · Post by **Andries** » 22 Sep 2003, 22:18

Found a little mistake in the drawing of the A319. An A319 only has 1 emergency-door, an A320 has 2.
Still very nice drawings anyway. My guess goes to the Embrear ...

Greetz,

EBOS

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 22 Sep 2003, 22:43

It will be neither, I guess.

The Airbus would never get certification for London City (it could never land on that short runway) and the ERJ isn't certified for London City either, and LCY is a major VLM hub. They would opt for the type that would get certification (or already have it) for London City.

OO-VEX · Post by **OO-VEX** » 22 Sep 2003, 22:45

EBOS,

Found a little mistake in the drawing of the A319. An A319 only has 1 emergency-door, an A320 has 2.

There is now also an A319 available with 2 emergency-doors. Easyjet asked Airbus to build an extra emergency door into the aircraft, so it could carry more passengers.

OO-VEX

OO-VEX · Post by **OO-VEX** » 22 Sep 2003, 23:01

L-1011 wrote:I wonder:

Are those planes capable of landing on the ANW runway?
I'm pretty sure that the Airbus can't but how about the ERJ?

Wouldn't the A319 augment the capacity a little to much compared to their Fokkers? I don't think they have 100% LF

ciao,
TriStar

L-1011,

I think both can land at ANR (ANW is not the right code for Antwerp).
In the airliners.net database i found a picture of a B737-300 at ANR

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/054441/L/, so i think it is possible to fly an A319 to/from ANR but i guess they would have payload restrictions.
I agree with you that ordering the A319 would increase their capacity to much, the gap between 50 and 132 seats is too big. Therefore i think the ERJ-170 might be the best choice, it will let them grow on a more stable way and if they need a bigger aircraft in the future, they can still go for the ERJ-190. Which will have a big commonality with the ERJ-170.

OO-VEX

Fuji-Monster · Post by **Fuji-Monster** » 22 Sep 2003, 23:33

I see all questions are answered.

1./
The 319 does exist with 2 emergency doors. Click here for photo

2./
The 319 can land at ANR.
Payload restriction will count of course ... but maybe only for takeoff.
At max landing weight; 1.500m should be enough but some training would be wishful to touch exactly at touchdown.

Greetings
FM

snfreak · Post by **snfreak** » 22 Sep 2003, 23:34

I was there when that picture of the Virgin 733 was taken

the plane was empty with very low fuel and used all the runway so... a full 733 will not be able to land safely in antwerp for my opinion

Fuji-Monster · Post by **Fuji-Monster** » 22 Sep 2003, 23:48

Landing distance item

- 319 at 60 Ton
- Dry runway
- Config 3
- NO autobrake

Actual landing distance = 940m

(Comment in the airbus manual ... 'no margin is included in this distance')

Fuji-Monster · Post by **Fuji-Monster** » 22 Sep 2003, 23:50

@ Nicolas

All drawing is done in Photoshop.
On which model ? .... i don't understand the question. It's a ERJ170.
Could you be more specific ?

Thks

Post by **sn26567** » 24 Sep 2003, 11:14

L-1011 wrote:I wonder: Are those planes capable of landing on the ANW runway?

I guess you mean ANR ?

A318 · Post by **A318** » 24 Sep 2003, 12:09

The A318 could be possible also. In my opinion the A319 is one step to big. The ERJ-170 is a beautiful plane but like I comment before the cabin space looks pretty small to me. If you compare the cabin space with the A318 (which is really beautiful) I should say choose the A318, this means if they can put this baby in LCY and ANR ofcourse. Anyway to give you an idea of the A318 cabin:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/394441/M/

777 · Post by **777** » 24 Sep 2003, 12:20

Does the Demo at ANR the 1st of October still stand ? Is it confirmed ?

Andre

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 24 Sep 2003, 16:20

Ground_crew wrote:The ERJ-170 is a beautiful plane but like I comment before the cabin space looks pretty small to me.

Bart, told us a few months ago that the cabin of the ERJ-170 was quite spacious and very nice

What's sure is that the cabin is bigger than the one of the F-50

I think those would be a good upgrade to VLM's fleet.

Ciao
Chris
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Avro · Post by **Avro** » 24 Sep 2003, 16:21

777 wrote:Does the Demo at ANR the 1st of October still stand ? Is it confirmed ?

Andre

What Demo are you talking about

Could you please explain me more about that event

Chris
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777 · Post by **777** » 24 Sep 2003, 16:41

VLM asked for a demonstration ERJ-170 at ANR.

Andre

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 24 Sep 2003, 17:01

Ahh, ok.

Thx
Chris
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