LCC Mandala Airlines Boeing 732 crashed after takeoff

Sebas · Post by **Sebas** » 05 Sep 2005, 07:25

An Indonesian Boeing 737-200 operated by low cost carrier Mandala Airlines crashed just after takeoff from Medan city today, according to officials. The plane was heading to Jakarta and was carrying 109 passengers.

The plane came down 500 metres from the runway in Medan, Indonesia's third biggest city and the largest city on Indonesia's Sumatra island.

The area where it came down is heavily populated. The airport in Medan is close to the center of town and surrounded by densely populated residential areas.

A doctor who is overseeing the removal of bodies said at least 60 people were killed.

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My personal (subjective) comment: In light of other discussions on this forum it is worth mentioning that it is (again) a LCC that crashed and that many of the planes operated by Mandala are more than 10 years old and so may need heavier maintenance (which involves higher costs) than newer planes... We must surely await investigation before we draw any conclusion, but I wouldn't be surprised if the link "LCC-maintenance costs-crash" proves valid again.

All the best,
Sebas

n5528p · Post by **n5528p** » 05 Sep 2005, 09:23

Sebas wrote:My personal (subjective) comment: In light of other discussions on this forum it is worth mentioning that it is (again) a LCC that crashed and that many of the planes operated by Mandala are more than 10 years old and so may need heavier maintenance (which involves higher costs) than newer planes... We must surely await investigation before we draw any conclusion, but I wouldn't be surprised if the link "LCC-maintenance costs-crash" proves valid again.

Why "again"?
There is no official report available regarding any of the recent mishaps - so what is proved again?

Regards, Bernhard

vueling · Post by **vueling** » 05 Sep 2005, 10:33

The ohter crash were charter, not LCC. Big difference

Ovostar · Post by **Ovostar** » 05 Sep 2005, 10:38

No.... What a tragedy...

and again a 737 crash...

regi · Post by **regi** » 05 Sep 2005, 11:04

I didn't know that the crash of Air France with a new Airbus 340 was in fact the crash of a old airplane of a charter company.

Allnipponairways · Post by **Allnipponairways** » 05 Sep 2005, 11:19

anyways ,the 737-200 was from 1981 they said on cnn , so i think it is about time in those countries maybe to put on retirement as they donttake care of their planes like in america or europe ... if there are any problems they should be fixed asap there as the airplane needs to bring money to compagny ..well they will pay now more then they gained if it was a mecanichal failure ...

greets

andong · Post by **andong** » 05 Sep 2005, 11:31

Mandala Airline (RI) is not an LCC. It was founded in 1969 (LCC business models did not exist then)
They operate this route as scheduled flight for a long time.

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 05 Sep 2005, 12:00

Thanks Andong, nice to see that people from China visit Belgium.

waldova · Post by **waldova** » 05 Sep 2005, 12:31

I see that a lot of people are making a lot of conclusions again about safety and maintenance.
But what says this plane crashed due to lack of maintenance? It is not because a plane crashes that this plane has been bad maintened!
Also again people are saying things about LCC. But as told here this company is first of all not LC. Also a plane that is more then 10 years old is safe. In Belguim planes land that are more then 30 years old (MNG airlines,...). So this doesn't mean anything. A well maintained plane can get 30 to 40 years without problems.
So can everybody stop making assumptions that are based on just nothing. Let's wait the investigation and lets think about the victims of this tragedy and the families of these.

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 05 Sep 2005, 14:23

Plane was PK-RIM

first flight 20/07/1981, for Lufthansa (as D-ABHK).

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 05 Sep 2005, 15:43

An explosion was heard from the ground,and by survivors on board, raising the possibility of a bomb.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common ... 02,00.html

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 05 Sep 2005, 18:36

Here is a picture of the involved aircraft.

RIP

Seb.

Ovostar · Post by **Ovostar** » 05 Sep 2005, 18:46

i saw people were trying to hide the "PK RIM" ... what a scandal, the plane just crashed, and there is already people trying to hide the the "PK RIM"

Dude320 · Post by **Dude320** » 05 Sep 2005, 18:54

I guess it is normal procedure.

They did the same with the SN 330 or 340 who went through the gears

after landing in EBBR.

Sebas · Post by **Sebas** » 05 Sep 2005, 19:21

n5528p wrote:
Why "again"?
There is no official report available regarding any of the recent mishaps - so what is proved again?

Regards, Bernhard

Hi,

Please note that I don't say that anything is proved. Just like many other people on this forum I'd like to await an official investigation before I draw any conclusion (which I clearly explained in my post).

I did say however that I wouldn't be surprised if the notorious link was proven valid again. Yes - again. I'm talking about Valujet and consorts. LCC-maintenance cost-crash aka "you get what you pay for" was proved valid by Valujet.

By the way, Indonesia's last crash involving a jetliner occurred in February 2005, when 26 people were killed when a plane operated by Lion Air, another low-cost carrier, skidded off the runway on Java Island, killing 26 people. Yes, it was again a LCC.

Anyway, my thoughts go to the victims and their families. And although this crash is another new suspicious element in the LCC concept, we surely need to await the investigation.

All the best,
Sebas

waldova · Post by **waldova** » 05 Sep 2005, 22:48

Always again LCC. If I remember good, the crashes in August started with an Air France plane! Also if you remember this year in Barcelona, it was a KLM that skidded of the runway. So I hope people are going to stop saying that LCC are more dangerous then other airlines. It is just that when a LCC goes down people start talking about bad maintenance and bad trained pilots. Sorry but i just don't understand this people. When an normal airline crashes they don't think about this. If you remember the Alaska Airlines crash ( MD 80) the investigation proved that it was bad maintened. And Alaska Airlines is not a LCC. So can people please stop to blame LCC. Also this airline involved here today is not a LCC!

regi · Post by **regi** » 05 Sep 2005, 23:33

a matter of concern is the location. It is similar to the crash in a market of Kinshasha which killed hundreds of people on the ground some years ago. (an Ilyushin-76?)
But nobody cares about them, it are only poor people who live under flypaths so closely.

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 06 Sep 2005, 00:56

It would be very wise not to collectively name LCC carriers as accident prone, as the term LCC has nothing whatsoever to do with the maintainance expenses incurred by those carriers, if that was the case then Ryanair, Southwest, Westjet, etc,etc,etc would be piling up accident stats, and they are not.

It would seem that the age of the fleet, possibly substandard maintainance procedures, or a variety of other things, or a combination all them may have contributed to these crashes.

Pointing fingers is easy to do from afar, and in most cases you just end up embarrassing yourself, thorough investigations are what reveal causes not speculation.

also here is an enlightning article regarding the age of the fleet:

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/2fcc04c4-1e2d- ... 511c8.html

Ovostar · Post by **Ovostar** » 06 Sep 2005, 00:59

this company changed from traditional company to LCC a while ago, to survive. So Yes it was a LCC.

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