who can confirm following statement/rumour/situation?
Belgium Exel did not get an AOC from the Begium Authorities last week (final answer authorities).
BEPA wants to operate flights under the belgium AOC of Belgium Exel.
Something contradictionary?
who knows more
BEAP to start before end Dec 04
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Africa is full of surprises, but it looks quite strange to me that an African Investment bank would invest in a rather unexperienced overseas airline, using Dutch planes and Belgian crew. Arent' there enough investment possibilities for them in Africa? Senegal Airways f.e.
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Nkosi Sikeleli Africa - God, bless Africa!
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Nkosi Sikeleli Africa - God, bless Africa!
Making a reservation for a flight from BEAP is possible !
Where? => SIFT TRAVEL and TRAVEL GALLERY in Brussels
How much ? => Fares are starting from 657,40 euro for BKO and 667,40 for LFW ( Economy class and taxes included )
For other fares ( Business , Economy Plus ,...) see http://www.beap.be/public/images/prixbeap.htm
greetings
Airbuske
Where? => SIFT TRAVEL and TRAVEL GALLERY in Brussels
How much ? => Fares are starting from 657,40 euro for BKO and 667,40 for LFW ( Economy class and taxes included )
For other fares ( Business , Economy Plus ,...) see http://www.beap.be/public/images/prixbeap.htm
greetings
Airbuske
Another thing: What I heard from Exelstaff :HollandExel/BelgiumExel does not have enough staff to start off with flights for BEAP end Dec.snowbird wrote:who can confirm following statement/rumour/situation?
Belgium Exel did not get an AOC from the Begium Authorities last week (final answer authorities).
BEPA wants to operate flights under the belgium AOC of Belgium Exel.
Something contradictionary?
who knows more
And at this moment there are no new training sessions scheduled. So....
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Hello everyone!
I haven't posted my reply on this topic yet, so...here it is.
Really nice a new Belgium airline.
Only too bad it is using two
Holland Excel B763's since those planes are already regular visitors.
When they started to think about that company,they were planning to
use 2 A340-200's (that's what i heard about it ),too bad it isn't anymore
like that...but 2 767's sounds nice too. By the way if they're planning to
fly to Beijing capital, i guess they don't use the 767 for that.
I do hope they will be painted in a BEAP livery whitin a wile.
Anyway it's just good news.
PS: Could it be that we are able to see a BEAP B767 in the 'Sabena Technics' hangar , when they give their annual Christmas-reception?
It's around the same time as BEAP would be born.
Best Christmas regards: Yannick
I haven't posted my reply on this topic yet, so...here it is.
Really nice a new Belgium airline.
Only too bad it is using twoHolland Excel B763's since those planes are already regular visitors.
When they started to think about that company,they were planning to
use 2 A340-200's (that's what i heard about it ),too bad it isn't anymore
like that...but 2 767's sounds nice too. By the way if they're planning to
fly to Beijing capital, i guess they don't use the 767 for that.
I do hope they will be painted in a BEAP livery whitin a wile.
Anyway it's just good news.
PS: Could it be that we are able to see a BEAP B767 in the 'Sabena Technics' hangar , when they give their annual Christmas-reception?
It's around the same time as BEAP would be born.
Best Christmas regards: Yannick
BEAP? Big Mistake
Hi everybody,
In 2000, fresh after the collapse of Sabena, I met one of BEAP's founders, a retired ex-Sabena captain. We discussed mutual investment opportunities.
Though concerned with the terrible mess that the Sabena collapse had left behind, it was very hard to even pretend to take this man seriously. He has an impressive résumé, flying for Sabena for all his life, but this project, I could not take seriously.
First of all, one can only succeed if you have a goal or target, and a good one at that. BEAP's target is solely to provide as many jobs as possible (for ex-Sabena personnel). This is the primary reason why I think BEAP will fail. Principally, a company making a profit should try to do so with the least amount of personnel as possible. I'm not saying they should overwork personnel or squeeze them to the max or skimp on the salary and benefits, but a lean organization is imperative, certainly in the airline industry! Therefore, trying to provide AS MANY jobs as possible, is the exact opposite of how a good company should be run.
Second, what's with the marketing here guys? They pronounce their company name as "BEEP", which makes it virtually impossible to take these guys seriously at all. The name itself, Belgian Employees Aviation Promotion sounds like a charity that people should donate money to.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that these people do not deserve jobs, only that this isn't the way. It's been almost 5 years since Sabena collapsed, and a job replacement program should have started immediately after that happened (I know about the feeble attempts made by the government and the employment office). Not 5 years later. If there are still people out there who have been sitting at home doing nothing for 5 years, waiting for BEAP to save them, then I'm sorry, but that's just not right.
BEAP looks to me like one of those paper planes you see in the 1920s movies where a guy develops his own plane and then jumps off a cliff, only to find that his plane doesn't work and he crashes and breaks his legs (and you know at the start of the movie clip that he's gonna crash).
You just know it's gonna happen. And I fear that after it has crashed, there will be an even greater mess and pain than before.
Oh yeah, and cooperating with the Exel group is also a big mistake. They are under intense scrutiny right now in Holland after their president was jailed for money-laundering, blackmail, extortion and such practices and Erik de Vlieger has many dubious contacts, not the least of which the recently liquidated real estate criminal Endstra.
Good luck to all, don't burn your fingers on this one.
In 2000, fresh after the collapse of Sabena, I met one of BEAP's founders, a retired ex-Sabena captain. We discussed mutual investment opportunities.
Though concerned with the terrible mess that the Sabena collapse had left behind, it was very hard to even pretend to take this man seriously. He has an impressive résumé, flying for Sabena for all his life, but this project, I could not take seriously.
First of all, one can only succeed if you have a goal or target, and a good one at that. BEAP's target is solely to provide as many jobs as possible (for ex-Sabena personnel). This is the primary reason why I think BEAP will fail. Principally, a company making a profit should try to do so with the least amount of personnel as possible. I'm not saying they should overwork personnel or squeeze them to the max or skimp on the salary and benefits, but a lean organization is imperative, certainly in the airline industry! Therefore, trying to provide AS MANY jobs as possible, is the exact opposite of how a good company should be run.
Second, what's with the marketing here guys? They pronounce their company name as "BEEP", which makes it virtually impossible to take these guys seriously at all. The name itself, Belgian Employees Aviation Promotion sounds like a charity that people should donate money to.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that these people do not deserve jobs, only that this isn't the way. It's been almost 5 years since Sabena collapsed, and a job replacement program should have started immediately after that happened (I know about the feeble attempts made by the government and the employment office). Not 5 years later. If there are still people out there who have been sitting at home doing nothing for 5 years, waiting for BEAP to save them, then I'm sorry, but that's just not right.
BEAP looks to me like one of those paper planes you see in the 1920s movies where a guy develops his own plane and then jumps off a cliff, only to find that his plane doesn't work and he crashes and breaks his legs (and you know at the start of the movie clip that he's gonna crash).
You just know it's gonna happen. And I fear that after it has crashed, there will be an even greater mess and pain than before.
Oh yeah, and cooperating with the Exel group is also a big mistake. They are under intense scrutiny right now in Holland after their president was jailed for money-laundering, blackmail, extortion and such practices and Erik de Vlieger has many dubious contacts, not the least of which the recently liquidated real estate criminal Endstra.
Good luck to all, don't burn your fingers on this one.
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Re: BEAP? Big Mistake
Do you happen to remember the name of this ex-Sabena captain?Jonesy wrote:Hi everybody,
In 2000, fresh after the collapse of Sabena, I met one of BEAP's founders, a retired ex-Sabena captain. We discussed mutual investment opportunities.
Though concerned with the terrible mess that the Sabena collapse had left behind, it was very hard to even pretend to take this man seriously. He has an impressive résumé, flying for Sabena for all his life, but this project, I could not take seriously.
Thanks
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Tend to agree with Jonesy,that dealing with anything that even comes close to Exel Aviation group is looking for potential trouble. EDV has a long history of dealing with doubtful individuals and I would not be surprised to see him in jail one of these days.
One alternative for the new airline might be to use the Business-model of
http://www.flywest.fr/
They use Aeropostal planes ( wetlease) but market them under their brandname "Flywest". Not a fully fledged airline (no AOL )but if you see the trafic builds up steadily, you make the jump and set up a real airline.
New airlines today need a very focussed niche-market if they don't want to be eaten alive by the main-carriers.
They could look in Island for planes ( Air Islandic ) rather than Holland.
One alternative for the new airline might be to use the Business-model of
http://www.flywest.fr/
They use Aeropostal planes ( wetlease) but market them under their brandname "Flywest". Not a fully fledged airline (no AOL )but if you see the trafic builds up steadily, you make the jump and set up a real airline.
New airlines today need a very focussed niche-market if they don't want to be eaten alive by the main-carriers.
They could look in Island for planes ( Air Islandic ) rather than Holland.
Well folks, isn’t it about time to look at the commercial approach ?
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- no online booking engine yet
- no explanation on their site about difference between Economy, Economy Plus, Business
- no seat pitch available, no meal plan details, …
- no fleet details on the site
- no clear tariff indication (the 2005-client doesn’t accept “as from …”)
- no baggage allowance explanation (20, 30 or 40 kgs ?)
- no long term time table available
- no efforts yet towards the Belgian travel trade, unless publication of contact details of two Brussels travel agencies without own website
- no representation on the recent Belgian Travel Expo
- no general sales conditions on the site
- no refund policy on the site
- no uniform presentation yet
- no commercial company name (unless we should regard biep biep as such)
- no customer friendly time table (does the public knows what BKO and LFW mean?)
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The sales point in Togo doens't mention BEAP: www.albatravel.tg
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Is there really nobody from the 1,400 Beapers with a commercial background?
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- no online booking engine yet
- no explanation on their site about difference between Economy, Economy Plus, Business
- no seat pitch available, no meal plan details, …
- no fleet details on the site
- no clear tariff indication (the 2005-client doesn’t accept “as from …”)
- no baggage allowance explanation (20, 30 or 40 kgs ?)
- no long term time table available
- no efforts yet towards the Belgian travel trade, unless publication of contact details of two Brussels travel agencies without own website
- no representation on the recent Belgian Travel Expo
- no general sales conditions on the site
- no refund policy on the site
- no uniform presentation yet
- no commercial company name (unless we should regard biep biep as such)
- no customer friendly time table (does the public knows what BKO and LFW mean?)
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The sales point in Togo doens't mention BEAP: www.albatravel.tg
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Is there really nobody from the 1,400 Beapers with a commercial background?
An other postponement coming?
The basic would be to have at least a 'Handelsregister or Registre de commerce'?LX-LGX wrote:Well folks, isn’t it about time to look at the commercial approach ?
. no explanation on their site about difference between Economy, Economy Plus, Business
- no clear tariff indication (the 2005-client doesn’t accept “as from …”)
- no baggage allowance explanation (20, 30 or 40 kgs ?)
- no long term time table available
- no general sales conditions on the site
- no refund policy on the site
- no commercial company name (unless we should regard biep biep as such).....
Is there really nobody from the 1,400 Beapers with a commercial background?
If not, this organisation
would be illegal in Belgium.Because everybody who does business, sells something, even services needs that as well as a VAT number.
In the downloadable fare pdf, they mention fares but not validity of these fares. Nor the booking class.
Can one buy a one way? Are the fares combinable or P2P? Can open jaw tickets be sold?
Are these fares "from to" in other words directional?
Are the flights regular flights or regular charterflights?
What about cargo?
This smells like an other postponement coming.
