Ryanair comes back to Ostend !

[Charlie Roy]

still nothing on the Ryanair website.

None of the winter schedules are available yet for any of the bases, so it's going to be a while yet before any official announcement...

[Lyulka]

Title of this thread reads "Ryanair comes back to Ostend !", the article in "De Tijd" says it MIGHT come back. I believe that until now we didn't get any kind of confirmation yet, even though everybody seems to be sure of it.
Can anybody indicate a source stating that it will actually happen, and not just that Ryanair is "thinking" about it?

[luchtzak]

Here is the document I talked about, permission by Douglas De Coninck

[OO-JFP]

I just have one word: DISGUSTING!

Don't get me wrong: I would like to see more traffic coming to Ostend but not this way. Why don't we give it to Jetairfly or Thomas Cook and let them fly the route ? We can eventually subsidise a bus company to bring passengers from CRL to OST (free of charge of course)

[cnc]

I just have one word: DISGUSTING!

Don't get me wrong: I would like to see more traffic coming to Ostend but not this way. Why don't we give it to Jetairfly or Thomas Cook and let them fly the route ? We can eventually subsidise a bus company to bring passengers from CRL to OST (free of charge of course)

it applies to all airlines willing to fly the route and bring tourists to belgium.
Seems like our precious belgium touroperators showed no interest

[jan_olieslagers]

As was said before: if FR ever starts these routes, they''ll be carrying Belgian tourists to the South, far more than Spanish tourists North. I actually have an impression the Spanish don't travel abroad very much for holidays anyway.
So I heartily agree with OO-JFP: DISGUSTING. And I can't help wondering about the intellectual capacities of the West-Flemish authorities and hoteliers, to throw away their money like that.

[cnc]

aw poor vueling, spanair, iberia,... then

[regi]

As was said before: if FR ever starts these routes, they''ll be carrying Belgian tourists to the South, far more than Spanish tourists North. I actually have an impression the Spanish don't travel abroad very much for holidays anyway.
So I heartily agree with OO-JFP: DISGUSTING. And I can't help wondering about the intellectual capacities of the West-Flemish authorities and hoteliers, to throw away their money like that.

Strange how the general atmosphere is turning when the real data comes through.
We didn't see any data on revenue, new jobs, no guarrantees by Ryanair after their previous pull out.

Some people argue that in these days of crisis, you cannot put pressure on employers. But several recent data shows that employers have used special supportive legislation to their own benefit and not to the benefit of their company. The figures of the lower restaurant tax has shown that the menu prices remained the same - some even increased. So no extra jobs in the restaurants. That is completely against the intention of that fiscal measure.
Instead of giving Ryanair subsidies, this company should have been asked to forward a financial guarrantee which they would lose if they don't fullfil their commitments. Again: Ryanair was already at Ostend and left shortly after all efforts were done.
What those local subsidies concern: I wonder how many friends of the incrowd ( sons and daughters of...) will get a nice position paid by that money at the airport authority
Jan, you might call the West-Flemish stupid, no hard feelings. If it would have just been plain stupidity, I could live with it. I start to see it as plain nepotism , corruption at the highest level. Charleroi at the North Sea.

[airazurxtror]

I don't understand the Vlamingen on this forum.
Oostende is appalingly underutilised since many years; it needs an investment, but Ryanair can be brought to OST and bring traffic and passengers (and jobs). And, unexpectedly, a lot of people here strongly object.
(Meanwhile, a lot of Vlamingen (and even Dutch) go take their flight at Charleroi...)
Vlaanderen has many airports that could be very active (Antwerp, Oostende, Wevelgem, and ex-military like Ursel and others) but apparently do not want to develop them. I don't understand.

[jan_olieslagers]

1) Our regional Flemish government has given lots of proof it is not aviation-minded - and I have as much trouble as you to understand THAT! You rightly mention Wevelgem, Antwerp, Ursel, all are blocked in their realistic potential by our own authorities!
2) As for FR at OST: this would be an unfair (because heavily subsidised) attack on existing carriers - meaning it would only replace existing jobs at Tos Cook et al by hamburger jobs at FR. That's a poor way to spend public money!
3) Nobody is objecting to NEW traffic at any of air airports but strangely enough (well, er, not so strangely really...) we only see new traffic at Wallonian airports. I can only congratulate and envy Wallonia for keeping their eyes open. And yes, I really AM considering migrating South!

[jan_olieslagers]

ex-military like Ursel and others

Just to get it straight: Ursel is still a military aerodrome. Only the military decided they have no use for it right now so they made it a reserve base, and kindly opened it to limited civilian operations, essentially recreational. Same goes for Zoersel EBZR, and I think also for Moorsel EBMO.

Others like Diest EBDT, Koksijde EBFN, Weelde EBWE, Zutendaal EBSL, Bertrix EBBX, Goetsenhoven EBTN and more, still have some military activity but are available to civilians outside their military operating hours.

[Acid-drop]

it seems that some of you have to choose a side, you want something and its opposite in the same time.

[OO-JFP]

by Acid-drop » 16 Mar 2010 04:13 pm

it seems that some of you have to choose a side, you want something and its opposite in the same time.

I can only speak for myself and the region I live in. I don't know how familiar you are with the northern part of the country but we speak another language, have a different culture which includes a different way of spending money and apparently some of us still show some knowledge of business ethics. The result of "donating" that amount of money to MoL will only result in a shift of employment and passengers from Brussels and Charleroi whereby CRL probably will be the biggest looser as a big part of the flemish people will make a trip from OST iso CRL. Is it that what you want?
And what to say about Brussels?
Nice people you are in Wallonia and especially: very rich in a country that is bankrupt. But yes the countries' debts are paid by "the nation" not by Wallonia and we all know who subsidies the nation...

[NCB]

Allow me to jump in on this one.

Remind me, who is paying the bill for the 214 subsidised federal/regional employee jobs working at OST for the 1 cargo airplane that lands there every day?

http://www.ost.aero/nederlands/frameset_b2b.htm

Ryanair in Oostende will not be much of a hassle to BRU nor CRL in terms of customers.
Most customers using OST would be from West/Oost Vlaanderen for a holiday to Southern destinations and customers/students from Southern European countries visiting Bruges.

As for Thomas Cook and Jetair, they are not doing big business in OST at all.

It would make sense for OST to host Ryanair at the condition that they base 0 to 2 aircraft and offer 5 to 15 destinations, a bit like they are doing at Maastricht Aachen Airport.
Bigger or smaller wouldn't make sense for neither OST nor Ryanair.

Jumping out now, continue your fight.

[cathay belgium]

Hi,

Welcome back as an active luchtzakker NCB !!

It would make sense for OST to host Ryanair at the condition that they base 0 to 2 aircraft and offer 5 to 15 destinations, a bit like they are doing at Maastricht Aachen Airport.
Bigger or smaller wouldn't make sense for neither OST nor Ryanair.

With this;

Why would FR invest in OST anyway ( without full subsidies ) instead of EIN/MAASTRICHT ?

CRL is very closeby, and EIN-MAASTRICHT have IMHO a larger penetration of would be pax.
Antwerp-DUTCH BRABANT-the 2 limburgs -GERMANY.
I think the grow factor is much larger here.
Which people would attract OST besides 'THE FLANDERS' and maybe BXL ( altough I doubt BXL people travelling to OST in favour of CRL ( IMHO ).

I think this FR-lines will be closed down the very first moment some money to MoL is stopped/rejected,
as before ...

Don't shoot me, okay I'm from nearby EIN, but I still believe investing money (+30 eur/pax) isn't
GOOD BESTUUR !!!
And wasn't it this that the people of Flanders just wanted to have/voted for ...

Memory is short ...

CX-B

[liege-bierset]

"Business Ethics"

I can only speak for myself and the region I live in. I don't know how familiar you are with the northern part of the country but we speak another language, have a different culture which includes a different way of spending money and apparently some of us still show some knowledge of business ethics. The result of "donating" that amount of money to MoL will only result in a shift of employment and passengers from Brussels and Charleroi whereby CRL probably will be the biggest looser as a big part of the flemish people will make a trip from OST iso CRL. Is it that what you want?
And what to say about Brussels?
Nice people you are in Wallonia and especially: very rich in a country that is bankrupt. But yes the countries' debts are paid by "the nation" not by Wallonia and we all know who subsidies the nation...

Dear JFP,
Of course we known " the northern part of our country". I have many (real) friends there.We do business with you, we are your main customer, we spend our EUR's at the Vlaams kust, we use your airport, we buy meat and vegetables,e.a. witloof and also speculos from you, Flamish bricklayers have built my house, most of people in my area do buy furnitures in Tongeren...-and you name it.
We have no bones in the nose and we like to visit Brugge or enjoy your famous paint masters. But I feel insulted by your reccurent flow of clichés about Wallonia as well by your cynical arrogance. Te veel is te veel ! You should watch your own plate, not always that clean, as you know.
At the end, to come back on toppic, I very much share Cathay's opinion. I still have questions about FR at MST (of course very seasonal business, with or without "carrots".)

[fretn]

Hi,

Welcome back as an active luchtzakker NCB !!

It would make sense for OST to host Ryanair at the condition that they base 0 to 2 aircraft and offer 5 to 15 destinations, a bit like they are doing at Maastricht Aachen Airport.
Bigger or smaller wouldn't make sense for neither OST nor Ryanair.

With this;

Why would FR invest in OST anyway ( without full subsidies ) instead of EIN/MAASTRICHT ?

CRL is very closeby, and EIN-MAASTRICHT have IMHO a larger penetration of would be pax.
Antwerp-DUTCH BRABANT-the 2 limburgs -GERMANY.
I think the grow factor is much larger here.
Which people would attract OST besides 'THE FLANDERS' and maybe BXL ( altough I doubt BXL people travelling to OST in favour of CRL ( IMHO ).

I think this FR-lines will be closed down the very first moment some money to MoL is stopped/rejected,
as before ...

Don't shoot me, okay I'm from nearby EIN, but I still believe investing money (+30 eur/pax) isn't
GOOD BESTUUR !!!
And wasn't it this that the people of Flanders just wanted to have/voted for ...

Memory is short ...

CX-B

You are forgetting Northern France (Calais, ...)
I went to Tunisia with jetairfly in september, and 1/5 were french people (not walloons).

[regi]

Hi,

Welcome back as an active luchtzakker NCB !!

It would make sense for OST to host Ryanair at the condition that they base 0 to 2 aircraft and offer 5 to 15 destinations, a bit like they are doing at Maastricht Aachen Airport.
Bigger or smaller wouldn't make sense for neither OST nor Ryanair.

With this;

Why would FR invest in OST anyway ( without full subsidies ) instead of EIN/MAASTRICHT ?

CRL is very closeby, and EIN-MAASTRICHT have IMHO a larger penetration of would be pax.
Antwerp-DUTCH BRABANT-the 2 limburgs -GERMANY.
I think the grow factor is much larger here.
Which people would attract OST besides 'THE FLANDERS' and maybe BXL ( altough I doubt BXL people travelling to OST in favour of CRL ( IMHO ).

I think this FR-lines will be closed down the very first moment some money to MoL is stopped/rejected,
as before ...

Don't shoot me, okay I'm from nearby EIN, but I still believe investing money (+30 eur/pax) isn't
GOOD BESTUUR !!!
And wasn't it this that the people of Flanders just wanted to have/voted for ...

Memory is short ...

CX-B

You are forgetting Northern France (Calais, ...)
I went to Tunisia with jetairfly in september, and 1/5 were french people (not walloons).

Interesting remark about customers from Northern France ( Pas de Calais, Lille )
Don't wake up MoL, or he moves his activities to Lille airport which is also very much underutilised.

[regi]

Allow me to jump in on this one.

Remind me, who is paying the bill for the 214 subsidised federal/regional employee jobs working at OST for the 1 cargo airplane that lands there every day?

http://www.ost.aero/nederlands/frameset_b2b.htm

Ryanair in Oostende will not be much of a hassle to BRU nor CRL in terms of customers.
Most customers using OST would be from West/Oost Vlaanderen for a holiday to Southern destinations and customers/students from Southern European countries visiting Bruges.

As for Thomas Cook and Jetair, they are not doing big business in OST at all.

It would make sense for OST to host Ryanair at the condition that they base 0 to 2 aircraft and offer 5 to 15 destinations, a bit like they are doing at Maastricht Aachen Airport.
Bigger or smaller wouldn't make sense for neither OST nor Ryanair.

Jumping out now, continue your fight.

Hey NCB, very funny to see you coming back to us, especially during a discussion where I was heavely criticised and compared to NCB. ( which I provoked myself by the way )
So, welcome back.
Very interesting that subjects which are ( generally regarded ) unrealistic attract most FLAK.

[Propwash]

Let's face the reality

Does FR really benefit the tax paying community?
I don't think so, it's just the opposite!
The only way our 'tax' money goes round, is 'single way' to Ireland (FR HQ).

Example:
Crime City (CRL) and surroundings have nothing to offer and the nearest sightseeing city is Little Chicago (Brussel).

Do we 'really' think after the Crime City Airport (CRL) investments (including 'artificial' job creation), it's a win-win situation for the 'tax paying' community?

Just ask yourself

If the public wanna Fly 'cheapo' with a carrier who cancels ad hoc, divert and leaving the pax. behind etc. it's fine with me, except in one way or another we (tax paying community) pay (subsidize) it :thumbdown:

My € 0.02