Conflicting opinions about the dispersion plan of BRU

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 11 Aug 2005, 19:27

For the first time good news of this front.

The "Noordrand" lost it's trial. Their claim was easy: less aircrafts over their heads. They want the same like the "Oostrand". But the judge said that she was not capable and that this trial had an underground of political issues.

The "Noordrand" is smashed and confused. According to their lawyer, they are going further then this trial, higher court.

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 09 Sep 2005, 02:01

http://www.ifalpa.org/sab/06SAB002.pdf

strongly recommended, specially if you're one of the five (*) Belgian ministers dealing with Transport.

(*) National minister for Transport, Flemish minister for Transport, Brussels-Capital Region minister for Transport, Walloon minister for Transport, French Community minister for Transport.

About this article: IFALPA says "... In the interests of flight safety, reproduction of this bulletin in whole or in part is encouraged..." Would be great indeed if luchtzak.be-members with technical knowledge would comment.

Vinnie-Winnie · Post by **Vinnie-Winnie** » 09 Sep 2005, 08:54

LX-LGX wrote:http://www.ifalpa.org/sab/06SAB002.pdf

strongly recommended, specially if you're one of the five (*) Belgian ministers dealing with Transport.

Thanks LX! Very interesting article! Not sure runway 7l is a good thing though! For political and safety issues I don't think the NATO would accept this... (Guessing a bit there..

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Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 09 Sep 2005, 22:00

Today on Teletext VRT: Lodewijck de Witte announced that a buildingstop around the airport is redicilous. He said that people have the right to buy land near the airport.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 27 Sep 2005, 17:16

Today, the "delegues" - Peggy Cortois, etc - of the actiongroups warned, yes warned, minister Landuyt if the not respect the decision of the judge for using runway 20, the habitants will take more radical actions, what that means I don't know.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 29 Sep 2005, 18:56

On Saturday 1 October 2005 two actiongroups will have a protestmeeting at runway 25L, this according to the possible lenghten of this runway. A lot of communities have given their support.

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 29 Sep 2005, 19:00

Atlantis wrote:On Saturday 1 October 2005 two actiongroups will have a protestmeeting at runway 25L, this according to the possible lenghten of this runway. A lot of communities have given their support.

Wouldn't it be a nice day to have a Luchtzak/spotters/60.000 people love their airportjob-meeting?

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 29 Sep 2005, 21:14

I was thinking the same

Post by **luchtzak** » 30 Sep 2005, 12:01

Euh, read this: http://www.hln.be/hln/cch/det/art_128559.html (in Dutch)

A bailiff has confiscated a building in the 'Wetstraat - Rue de la Loi', property of the Belgian State. By this the habitants living East of Brussels (Oostrand) want to force Belgian Minister of Mobility Renaat Landuyt to follow the sentence ruled by court on the 17th of March.

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 30 Sep 2005, 12:39

this is getting out of hand and i'm getting a really bad feeling about BRU's future!

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 30 Sep 2005, 17:03

Me too

It's not normal that a group, just a few people, can hostage the government and a whole land just for their own peace and quite.

If, I said very clear if, the government decide to use the two main runways and lengthen 25L and Macquarie Airports wants 450.000 flights a year, then, all the communities, actiongroups,etc are making our work on the airport impossible.

May I remember all the members that the sell of the airport to Macquarie Airport was selling, for a part, with the promise to let the airport grow with no restrictions. If not, Macquarie Airport will get rid of BRU in it's portfolio. That's also the end of the airport because the Belgian government ows only 30% ( I think) of the shares.

I hope that the workgroups and the flemish, Brussels and federal government will take some good decisions. I don't care if they will reduce the nightflights, our main goal is to save the airport.

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 04 Oct 2005, 10:45

is the dispertion plan the reason for today's delays ?

www.biac.be/departures

www.biac.be/arrivals

(today = Tuesday 04 Oct 2005)

Post by **sn26567** » 04 Oct 2005, 11:24

Landings are (were?) on 02. I don't know about takeoffs.

Post by **luchtzak** » 04 Oct 2005, 12:46

sn26567 wrote:Landings are (were?) on 02. I don't know about takeoffs.

Winds are coming from the North, here is the actual TAF - METAR

METAR
04/10/2005 09:50
EBBR 040950Z 04007KT CAVOK 12/10 Q1027 NOSIG

TAF
04/10/2005 09:00
EBBR 040900Z 041019 04010KT 9999 SCT022 BKN040

In this case 07R-02 are used for take-off and only 02 for landing, hence the delays that might occur as only 1 runway available for landing.

pascal-air · Post by **pascal-air** » 04 Oct 2005, 13:21

luchtzakthe wrote: delays that might occur as only 1 runway available for landing.

and because 02 is crossing 07, take-offs and landings must be synchronized.

Pascal

Vinnie-Winnie · Post by **Vinnie-Winnie** » 04 Oct 2005, 13:53

Last night at around 10 o'clock I could spot from my balcony planes descending on runway 2!

I did for a second share the pain of people living in auderghem, Wezembeek... but luckily I actually live closer to Brussels so therefore I actually enjoyed watching the planes descending very slowly to their final destination!

pascal-air · Post by **pascal-air** » 05 Oct 2005, 00:21

Vinnie-Winnie wrote:Last night at around 10 o'clock I could spot from my balcony planes descending on runway 2!

I did for a second share the pain of people living in auderghem, Wezembeek... but luckily I actually live closer to Brussels so therefore I actually enjoyed watching the planes descending very slowly to their final destination!

Yeah that's night too, even if winds are now calm (midnight).

Sincerely, I understand all those people that are complaining because the 25L could be used (winds are calm since 10 pm I think), and this is clearly playing against the airport. I hope that the dispersion plan will be canceled and that all flights will be concentrated like they were in 1999.

(And indeed insulate or buy houses below flight path)

That is the only solution that will meet the requirements with environment and airport development.

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 10 Oct 2005, 18:36

The city of Brussels wants all flights to be concentrated like they were in 1999 and the night will end not at 6 but at 7 o'clock. Planes need to follow the "ring van brussel", the "paleisroute" should return, just like the "kanaalroute".

http://www.standaard.be/Artikel/Detail. ... 102005_048

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 10 Oct 2005, 19:01

It sounds good for me. The nightperiod till 7 o'clock was decided last week, it depends on the QO of the airplane.

Everyone was asking to return of 1999, I hope they get this week a solution because some big new airlines are waiting to come to BRU but because of the political and juridical situation they didn't came to BRU.