Ryanair in 2014

[Inquirer]

What I don't understand is how adding an extra full exit door to the 737 can make the cabin take more seats? If anything, you'd have at least 1 row of seats less even, isn't it? Or are they going to squeeze the other seats even closer together then?

if so, this is going to be a very uncomfortable cabin indeed, so it may be time for them to contemplate different lay outs depending the duration of the flight, as this kind of a cabin is not something you'd be willing to be in for too long.

If today's standard in seating is anything to go by, I am not even sure one can still put a normal laptop on the folding table and comfortably type an e-mail, for instance, especially not as the middle seat is always going to be taken too, right, so exactly where do those wrists and elbows need to go then? Not towards you (not enough space), not to the side (not enough space either), so?

[sean1982]

Because the reason of not having 200 seats in the current B738 is not because there isn't space for them. Depending on the seat design there clearly is. The reason for the extra door and why the B738 cannot hold 200 seats at the moment is because in the current configuration the B738 would not be able to be evacuated in 90 seconds with half the exits.

With Max and extra door the evacuation rate will be higher so it is possible to put 200 seats. The recaro seats with the thin seatbacks that have been pioneered by the LH group will allow for this.

[Inquirer]

Because the reason of not having 200 seats in the current B738 is not because there isn't space for them. Depending on the seat design there clearly is. The reason for the extra door and why the B738 cannot hold 200 seats at the moment is because in the current configuration the B738 would not be able to be evacuated in 90 seconds with half the exits.

With Max and extra door the evacuation rate will be higher so it is possible to put 200 seats. The recaro seats with the thin seatbacks that have been pioneered by the LH group will allow for this.

Now I understand, thank you.
It's something not well explained in any of the press releases, probably because it leads to inconvenient questions on the new plane's comfort standards.

Does this extra door come in lieu of or on top of the wing exits?

So the very same seats are going to be used then as on Lufthansa? They are okay for short flights in Europe, but they only make laptop work possible if you have a free seat next to you: believe me, I know what I talk about, I fly in them on a weekly basis so in the absence of such a free middle seat policy, ryan air better considers something else if they want to charm corporate flyers.

[Flanker2]

I really hope that FR won't put the Recaro seats or that they at least go for the comfort package with the thick padding, unlike LH and SN.

U2 is already installing the Recaro seats.
LH has truly downgraded what little there was left of comfort in this industry.

[airazurxtror]

What I don't understand is how adding an extra full exit door to the 737 can make the cabin take more seats? If anything, you'd have at least 1 row of seats less even, isn't it? Or are they going to squeeze the other seats even closer together then?

According to :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/trave ... paign=1490

- 3 new seats (1DEF) installed by halving the forward galley
- 6 extra seats installed at the last row by moving back the toilets to the rear galley
- the new emergency exits positioned 2/3 down the cabin

Despite the increased capacity, passengers are being promised more leg room - growing from the current 29 inches to 30 inches.
But, in return, the aircraft's toilets and galley will be smaller and the seats will be slimmer.
The planes will also feature two additional doors and a Boeing Sky Interior, which features sculpted sidewalls, LED lighting that 'enhances the sense of spaciousness' and larger pivoting overhead stowage bins.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/trave ... z3CpT53RWX

[sn26567]

passengers are being promised more leg room - growing from the current 29 inches to 30 inches.

Current seat pitch is 29.9 in, not 29. Even 32 in some of the so-called "business plus" seats. Will the latter be reduced from 32 to 30 in ?

LED lighting that 'enhances the sense of spaciousness'

I don't see how LED lighting will reduce the pressure on the knees?

[airazurxtror]

Of course, it's just the usual Ryanair bashing by the usual SN supporters (jealous and desperate, one can understand it).
Why don't we just wait and see how exactly Boeing and Ryanair will work it out ?
One could understand if the concern came from people like me, who spend tens of hours each year in the Ryanair seats, but the critics come from people who never fly Ryanair or only once in a blue moon !

[airazurxtror]

Chief executive Michael O'Leary said the massive order will herald a fares war throughout Europe as Ryanair vies to increase the number of passengers it carries every year from 81 million to 150 million.

"I hope it will hasten in an era of a new price war in Europe over the next 10 years, which, like all the old price wars, Ryanair will win," insisted the airline chief in New York.

While most of the new aircraft will be used to grow Ryanair's business within Europe, Mr O'Leary said it also puts more of north Africa within its reach, as well as more far flung destinations such as Lebanon, Israel and even the Gulf states.

http://www.herald.ie/news/ryanair-hirin ... 71032.html

[sn26567]

Delivery of the first B737-800 of the new series today in Renton:

[sean1982]

Ryanair and BRU airport have come to the conclusion that the current boarding procedures are not ideal due to the often bad belgian weather conditions. (Also a frequently used argument here as to why SN is better than FR) In a few weeks the airport will start construction works to cover the current walkway system to the the LCC stands. The walkways will be covered with a roof and sidewalls so that even blowing wind will no longen hinder the boarding passengers. These construction works have been agreed upon after numerous requests from FR and U2 crews to increase the passenger comfort during boarding.

[sean1982]

passengers are being promised more leg room - growing from the current 29 inches to 30 inches.

Current seat pitch is 29.9 in, not 29. Even 32 in some of the so-called "business plus" seats. Will the latter be reduced from 32 to 30 in ?

No, on the contrary. As these pitches are a legal requirement at an emergency exit. Because the Max has extra Emergency exits, there will be extra rows with a bigger seat pitch. The normal rows will increase seat pitch by 0,5 inch.

[airazurxtror]

Kenny Jacobs, head of marketing at Ryanair, told the Manchester Evening News that many of the airline’s new fleet, with Boeing set to deliver 180 aircrafts over the next five years, will be based at Manchester.

The airline is also adding routes which are focussed primarily on business travellers.

These include Shannon and Eindhoven – home to the Philips headquarters – an addition to next summer’s schedule which is a nod to Manchester’s own growth rate.

[airazurxtror]

Delivery of the first B737-800 of the new series today in Renton:

Due today in Dublin as EI-FEE
The aircraft touched down in Dublin Airport, flown from Boeing Field, Seattle, by Ryanair Chief Pilot, Captain Ray Conway.
Ryanair will take 20 further 737-800 NG aircraft deliveries between September 2014 and July 2015.

[MrG4]

Back in Belgium...time to join this forum

Next idea: Ryanair-Cyprus?

Ryanair will press ahead with plans to expand in Cyprus even if its bid to take over the country’s ailing national airline does not succeed, it emerged yesterday.
The Irish airline was one of up to 15 that recently submitted proposals to the Cypriot government to take Cyprus Airways, which needed a €73 million state bail out after losing €56 million in 2012.
Ryanair chief executive, Michael O’Leary, said that the Irish company has pledged it will expand the airline from five craft and 700,000 passengers a-year to 20 planes and three million passengers over five years if it succeeds.
However, he added that the Cypriots are more likely to opt for a rival bid from Greece’s Aegean Air “for political and cultural reasons”.
Mr O’Leary revealed that Ryanair has applied to the country’s authorities for its own Air Operator’s Certificate (AOC), a licence allowing it to establish its own airline on the island that could open up new markets in the Mediterranean, Middle East and Russia.
As Cyprus is in the EU, Ryanair can fly to and from there to any other member state under its Irish AOC, but it cannot fly from there to countries such as Russia or Israel, where it is keen to expand.
Ryanair already has a base at Paphos in Cyprus and Mr O’Leary signalled that it would expand its presence considerably there if its AOC application were to succeed. He suggested that it could fly under the “Ryanair Cyprus” banner.
He was speaking after landing in Dublin Airport in the first of the new 180 Boeing 737-800 craft that the airline is purchasing from the US aerospace manufacturer over the next five years.
Earlier this week, Ryanair signed a new deal with Boeing for up to 200 737 Max 200 craft, worth €17 billion, which it will buy between 2019 and 2023. That agreement will leave the Irish airline with a fleet of 520 planes by 2024.
It will take delivery of 15 of the 737-800 craft this winter.
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sect ... -1.1924666

[MrG4]

Ryanair will not launch Dublin- Saint Petersburg route in 2014.

The commercial director of Northern Capital Gateway, the company that operates St Petersburg Pulkovo airport, said that it had received formal notification from Ryanair that it will not launch the route in 2014.

That decision comes as Ryanair yesterday started taking delivery of the first of 180 Boeing aircraft it ordered last year. Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary was on hand at Dublin Airport to welcome the aircraft from Seattle.

Ryanair had expected to be in a position to launch flights from Dublin to St Petersburg this autumn.It has also been eyeing a service to Moscow.

Ryanair was granted permission last year by Russia's federal air transport agency, Rosaviatsia, to operate the routes as of March this year.

But speaking to the Irish Independent last month, Mr O'Leary claimed the delay in launching the routes to Russia was because tourism funding support hadn't been forthcoming.

"Services from Ireland to Moscow and St Petersburg would be very successful," said Mr O'Leary.

"But they're long flights and they would be a relatively low fare for a couple of years while you're building them up," he added.

"What strikes me as surprising is that at a time when the tourism industry is marketing Russia and China as two major targets, is that an airline that's willing to fly to Russia can't get any support from them."

He said services such as ground-handling had already been agreed at St Petersburg.

The Russian market could be a significant one for Ryanair. If it succeeds in buying Cyprus Airways, it would target Russia. Mr O'Leary has also said that if Ryanair launches services to Israel, Russia would be one of the markets it could serve from there.
- See more at: http://www.independent.ie/business/ryan ... WQkQG.dpuf
http://www.independent.ie/business/ryan ... 77793.html

[Inquirer]

Why should Russia subsidize them to operate flights between Russia and Ireland?
If these routes for which they have applied are structurally profitable, they fly them; otherwise they won't, and that's how it is supposed to be.

All this subsidizing back and forth is free market distorting as it only helps keep or even increase (over)capacity on the market at the expense of the tax payers.

Touristic organisations should invest their promobudgets in improved infrastructure in order to stimulate the attractiveness of their destination, not give cash handouts to operators who bring them extra tourists just because the trip there is made artificially cheap: that way not only do they turn the promobudget spent into a real long term investment which doesn't risk going away the day they stop spending money on it, but also do they improve the quality of the visitors they attract: it's really not the low end bargain hunter which suddenly turns into a big spender once he has arrived, is it?

[airazurxtror]

Ryanair will not launch Dublin- Saint Petersburg route in 2014.

The relations between Europe and Russia are not really cordial at the moment, it's a bit like the cold war again, the shooting down of the Malaysian aircraft in Ukraine allegedly by Mr Poutine or his allies, Russia threatening to ban all western airlines and so on. All this is not conducing to enhance the tourism to Russia.

[MrG4]

i found also this document . Embassy of Ireland
http://www.favt.ru/favt_new/sites/defau ... -4-788.pdf

[MrG4]

RYANAIR, the Irish budget carrier, is considering opening a back office at Manchester Airport as it moves into a new phase of growth.

Chief marketing officer Kenny Jacobs told TheBusinessDesk.com, the airline already has a customer support facility at Stansted Airport, and said a similar base in Manchester was "on the radar".

"Manchester is an interesting place to invest, there's potential there," he said.

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwes ... -base.html

[airazurxtror]

Each year Which? magazine publishes its airline survey, and each year Ryanair is ranked the least favourite airline, while BA is regularly touted as the most favoured by about 8,000 Which readers. So why then does the travelling public continue to flock to Ryanair, while deserting BA?

In the last five years Ryanair has grown from carrying 50m to over 80m customers annually, while BA’s traffic has fallen from over 35m in 2008 to under 30m in 2013. Are these millions of consumers wrong or is the Which? airline survey outdated and irrelevant?

Michael O'Leary :
Back in the bad old days when Government protected flag carrier monopolies dominated air travel, air fares were rapaciously high, usually fixed by agreement between flag carriers, who ‘shared’ routes. There was so little price differentiation that surveys about seat width, in-flight meals and business class service bore some relevance for consumers.
The glaring omission from the Which? airline survey is any reference to price or punctuality, perhaps the two most important considerations in any consumer’s airline booking choice. If price and punctuality were the same for all airlines then it might be valid to survey seats, catering and other less critical considerations. But they are not.

Read more :
http://conversation.which.co.uk/transpo ... ne-survey/