Quote: "I was Ryanair's slave"

[Squelsh]

I grab it swiftly

Judging by this (for me new material) video, you can keep that ticket (with puke-stains or not?), no need for sollace, 'd never fly it anyways
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What I am critical of is the fact that the legacy airlines dare charge 250 euros or even more for a similar flight

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the "whole machinery behind it" is none of my business.

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How very critical indeed

[airazurxtror]

Judging by this (for me new material) video, you can keep that ticket (with puke-stains or not?), no need for sollace, 'd never fly it anyways

One can see that you really are most knowledgeable about Ryanair.
There is no ticket at Ryanair, only boarding passes that the passenger prints himself (and I usually don't puke over my printer).

[Inquirer]

Reason why I took the trouble to translate this article was to point out that low prices have to be compensated somewhere down the line. In casu, a light is shed on the Human Resources and Recruiting procedures. Found it to be quiete interesting, especially certain numbers like the ratio non-BE vs BE stewards. Also assumed wages wouldn't be very high, and the 800 euros mentioned seemed exagerated to me. Can't be that bad, not saying I expected much more, but still).

Quite interesting reading indeed, thank you very much for translating it, but then deep inside even complete outsiders must have known how this airline is run?
Surely Nobody can expect them to be able to offer their low fares by skipping a free inflight drink alone...
But of course with things like these, people just don't want to see it because it is embarrassing for them too and nobody wants to be part of a system which rewards exploitation and thus they take comfort in people who still defend RYANAIR, just because it gives them peace of mind when flying with them...
Just as people are buying all sort of cheap stuff from China, pretending not knowing they likely involve child labour for instance! after all: 15 euro for a pair of sport shoes is a fair price, isn't it? Or is it?

Saw that both Member Pressman and Sean82 had problems with the interesting details a certain tulepanebas gave of the long term financial consequences for both government as well as employees of the type of employment offered by RYANAIR, but after reading criexccrew, I feel he was spot on!

being sick at the hospital and yet calling me to go str8 away to the airport (...) i had to send via fax the sickness certificate when i had a lungs infection (...) when i got the bill: 712 euros that Ryanair didnt want to pay

Telling to Sean82, I have never got more than 1500euros, even in summer season, working more than 100 hours (maximun is 90h) and If you take out from this wage uniform, accomodation, taxes, transport, food, grooming and water, food when you are flying because of course we have to pay everything, how much money do you think i can save?????

I dont know if you know about your retiremment (...) no more than 420euros
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One more remark: I find the use of foul language and personal insults towards whole groups of people as well as individuals posting this website by those few who defend RYANAIR to br quite shocking! Is that the normal way people at that company deal with each other or with their customers? Somebody posted a well known joke about the alleged rudeness of staff at RYANAIR, but it seems to be for real here????

[airazurxtror]

But of course with things like these, people just don't want to see it because it is embarrassing for them too and nobody wants to be part of a system which rewards exploitation and thus they take comfort in people who still defend RYANAIR, just because it gives them peace of mind when flying with them...

You must obviously have had great fun writing the above text, knowing for sure that quite a few people will take it seriously - whereas it's clear that it's a huge joke.
This discussion gets more and more amusing : it's not often that there is so much "second degree" on this forum ... refreshing !

[azingrew]

Gee, bonjour la branlette!
"a competitor who receives millions from the walloon governement is not a fair competitor!" That's what the rest of Europe used to say about Sabena who received gazillions of millions in subsidies from taxpayer of both region, for 75 years!
And may I remind Mr. top(tolli?)whatever that the walloon government invested in Brussels Airlines and Vlanderen did not. So one can say that tolli has a job thanks to the Wallon government! Ok bit of a stretch, sorry for the heart attack.
Not talking about Ryanair itself ( I sort of agree with the naysayer, but I use them anyway) but the thousand of jobs it has generated in Charleroi, cannot be ignored. And the millions of passengers it brings to or through Belgium are consumers, and that represents a lot of VAT to the federal government. So I am pretty sure that not only the walloon region has already gotten its money back many times over but that the whole country benefits from the situation.

[OO-ITR]

Gee, bonjour la branlette!
"a competitor who receives millions from the walloon governement is not a fair competitor!" That's what the rest of Europe used to say about Sabena who received gazillions of millions in subsidies from taxpayer of both region, for 75 years!
And may I remind Mr. top(tolli?)whatever that the walloon government invested in Brussels Airlines and Vlanderen did not. So one can say that tolli has a job thanks to the Wallon government! Ok bit of a stretch, sorry for the heart attack.
Not talking about Ryanair itself ( I sort of agree with the naysayer, but I use them anyway) but the thousand of jobs it has generated in Charleroi, cannot be ignored. And the millions of passengers it brings to or through Belgium are consumers, and that represents a lot of VAT to the federal government. So I am pretty sure that not only the walloon region has already gotten its money back many times over but that the whole country benefits from the situation.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention but SABENA went bankrupt a decade ago. So the gazillions of millions of subsidies didn't help them.
Meanwhile a decade further, the EU forbid that governments subside airlines. One can wonder why Ryanair can still do so!

[sean1982]

Reason why I took the trouble to translate this article was to point out that low prices have to be compensated somewhere down the line. In casu, a light is shed on the Human Resources and Recruiting procedures. Found it to be quiete interesting, especially certain numbers like the ratio non-BE vs BE stewards. Also assumed wages wouldn't be very high, and the 800 euros mentioned seemed exagerated to me. Can't be that bad, not saying I expected much more, but still).

Quite interesting reading indeed, thank you very much for translating it, but then deep inside even complete outsiders must have known how this airline is run?
Surely Nobody can expect them to be able to offer their low fares by skipping a free inflight drink alone...
But of course with things like these, people just don't want to see it because it is embarrassing for them too and nobody wants to be part of a system which rewards exploitation and thus they take comfort in people who still defend RYANAIR, just because it gives them peace of mind when flying with them...
Just as people are buying all sort of cheap stuff from China, pretending not knowing they likely involve child labour for instance! after all: 15 euro for a pair of sport shoes is a fair price, isn't it? Or is it?

Saw that both Member Pressman and Sean82 had problems with the interesting details a certain tulepanebas gave of the long term financial consequences for both government as well as employees of the type of employment offered by RYANAIR, but after reading criexccrew, I feel he was spot on!

being sick at the hospital and yet calling me to go str8 away to the airport (...) i had to send via fax the sickness certificate when i had a lungs infection (...) when i got the bill: 712 euros that Ryanair didnt want to pay

Telling to Sean82, I have never got more than 1500euros, even in summer season, working more than 100 hours (maximun is 90h) and If you take out from this wage uniform, accomodation, taxes, transport, food, grooming and water, food when you are flying because of course we have to pay everything, how much money do you think i can save?????

I dont know if you know about your retiremment (...) no more than 420euros
).

One more remark: I find the use of foul language and personal insults towards whole groups of people as well as individuals posting this website by those few who defend RYANAIR to br quite shocking! Is that the normal way people at that company deal with each other or with their customers? Somebody posted a well known joke about the alleged rudeness of staff at RYANAIR, but it seems to be for real here????

And why do you only believe the people who are talking against ryanair?
Why do you compare me to a chinese labour worker?
Why do you believe a guy who never posted anything on this forum oer somebody who is a member and postin since 2003?
The only reason i get upset with mr brussels airlines pilot is cause he is withholding information, making me sound like a future thief of our federal government. I am not naive enough think that in 35 years people of my generation will still be having proper social security, im trying to provide my own.
And last, your post is the best example of why I get upset and use "foul language". The employees that work for FR and are happy, are pretty much sick and tired of having to defend their workplace. I never said ryanair is full of roses and sunshine, i will be the last person in the world to call MOL a sympathatic person, and i surely disagree with the ethos of the company sometimes. But if I weigh up the pros against cons it is still a good pro for me. You read virginie and exscrewcrl statement and blatantly believe them, i know the real story why they wete fired and it had nothing to do with unions, they only came later.
I have some very good friends in belgian airlines? Want to talk about company ethos? I can give you some examples of maffia practices that are going on here.
Regi, our contracts ARE legal irish contracts, why would u assume they are not?
Now hopefully i haven't offended you by saying my opinion, I should really stop as my point of view seems criminal here, i really should spend my energy somewhere else.

Oh and you really want offensive? Go back a page and read darjeelings post!
Sincerely,
A 13 year old spotter (or not? )

[sean1982]

And to come back on excrewcrl statement:
If you had been registered in belgium, as you were supposed to and you would have joined the mutualité, as you were supposed to and bring in your E106 as you were supposed to you would have gotten money back from the irish government. Did you think hospitals are free here? Did you think belgian employers pay for their employee's hospital bills upfront? Bringing in a sicknote on the day is not required if you are bedbound, and to me longinfection seems pretty bedbound.

I lived 4 year with somebody with the same contract as you, consitently earning very close or just over 2000 euro a month. If you cannor fund your lifestyle with that and save on top of that, something is wrong. Dont forget im 9 years in the company, better wages come with seniority as well.

[Squelsh]

You read virginie and exscrewcrl statement and blatantly believe them, i know the real story why they wete fired and it had nothing to do with unions, they only came later.

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Ah now that's good gossip, want to share this info with us or is it like a whole emotional story and you prefer not to? These kinda stories tend to go on long, complicated and alot of smaller stories within about foes and friends 'on top'. Usually too tiring to all start writing it down, but maybe a few hints for us; maybe drugabuser or grave errors..
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Now hopefully i haven't offended you by saying my opinion, I should really stop as my point of view seems criminal here, i really should spend my energy somewhere else. Oh and you really want offensive? Go back a page and read darjeelings post!

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Not at all, thanks for going in-depth and can only agree with the last part of your quote. Thanks for sharing that FR is not all roses and sunshine, and staying on topic. Saying that there is alot of bullsh*t in the aviation and then claim 'roses and sunshine all the way' for this firm in that same sentence, did not seem right to me at that time. If you were offended by the way one of my questions was asked, I apologise, this was formulated too quickly and indeed too blunt.

[Darjeeling]

And I would like to add something else, as far as I know, this testimony wasn't echoed AT ALL in the French speaking press despite the fact that this flight attendant is French speaking.

Far from me the idea to make it a communitarian matter, but one has to notice that Ryanair and Ryanairport do benefit from the relative mildness of the French speaking Press on various occasions. One has to stick to the socialist spirit but only at "given moments", strange isn't it ? We haven't heard Antoine or Demotte on that topic ? Did we ?

All this to voice my opinion: the subsidised French speaking press is totally censored and locked by the parties we all know. The very purpose here is to protect Charleroi Airport. One advise: keep an eye on the free press on the other side of the language border.

[jan_olieslagers]

The tone of "discussion" of certain participants is indeed disgusting. And I have said many times that in Belgium NOTHING can be discussed without sooner or later getting into politics and regionalism. Which is to me clear proof that the mere concept of Belgium is well and truly dead and gone.

But back to the opening text: anyone calling 1800 euro's expensive for a training of several weeks is out of touch with the real world. In my trade (professional IT) I have paid as much as 2000 euro's for a single week's training - and the best value I got for my money was a tee-shirt and course notes full of typo's and factual errors. Actually the trainer spent most of the precious time by pointing out and correcting errors in the syllabus. I do must admit that wages are better, too, in my profession. Working hours are often inpredictible too, though, and of course never enough.

[azingrew]

And when was the last time you read a french newspaper Mr Darjeeling? On the contrary Ryanair has VERY bad press in the walloon newspaper, very often undeserved. Many incidents are written about when they would go totally unnoticed with any other airline, including SN, the readers mail are full of usually frivolous complain and Charleroi gets its share of bashing. You really don't know what you are talking about.
Your message was once again a cheap attempt to hurt the other community. And as far as I'm concerned, I think Virginie's story didn't get an echo because it's a non event and I'm really surprise it went this far on the board.