Fire crew strike halts all flights at BRU - strike ended

744rules · Post by **744rules** » 13 Apr 2007, 17:15

sn26567 wrote:An SN flight from Stockholm (SN2304 ARJ100) landed 15:58.

Strange flight numbers for SN flights re-routed to Liège:

13-04 16:20 SN93UT VIENNE 16:22 LANDED
13-04 16:10 SN91RY VENIZIA 16:26 LANDED
13-04 16:19 SN58UU MARSEILLE 16:30 LANDED
and to Charleroi:

13-04 9:00 Paris-Charles de Gaulle DAT3630 9:20
13-04 16:30 Marseille-Marignane DAT58UU ?

probably their ATC callsign.

TWA · Post by **TWA** » 13 Apr 2007, 17:52

I would like to "thank" (as if) the FD :pukey: and security :pang: for messing up at least 50000 people's live and for making a lot of airline companies to loose lots of money today. Where is the "love my airport job" spirit ?

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 13 Apr 2007, 18:06

TWA wrote:I would like to "thank" (as if) the FD :pukey: and security :pang: for messing up at least 50000 people's live and for making a lot of airline companies to loose lots of money today. Where is the "love my airport job" spirit ?

Very well said !! It's outragous to see how the fire department can take all the pax as hostages, just because they want to strike !!! As if everybody would strike for a pay rise... pfff

Post by **ElcoB** » 13 Apr 2007, 18:18

Avro wrote:...
It's outragous to ...

Till further order, going on strike is a legitimate democratic right.
What do you want ? dictatorship of the sharreholders?

an-148 · Post by **an-148** » 13 Apr 2007, 18:19

lot of traffic in LGG
http://www.liegeairport.com/timetable/timetable.php

TWA · Post by **TWA** » 13 Apr 2007, 18:27

I still can't understand why there is no back-up plan (with federal police and fire brigades from around the airport). eg.: At heathrow they summon the army to safeguard and guarantee security etc.

Andries · Post by **Andries** » 13 Apr 2007, 18:42

Has the strike allready been given up or is it still going strong ?
I plan to come spotting at EBBR tommorow ... It's 2h30 by train and I wouldn't like to come to EBBR for nothing ...

Greetz,

Andries

Edit : Never mind, next time I'll read the last posts before posting ...

spotter1102 · Post by **spotter1102** » 13 Apr 2007, 19:04

Andries wrote:Has the strike allready been given up or is it still going strong ?
I plan to come spotting at EBBR tommorow ... It's 2h30 by train and I wouldn't like to come to EBBR for nothing ...

Greetz,

Andries

Edit : Never mind, next time I'll read the last posts before posting ...

I also plan to go spotting to BRU tomorrow in the afternoon.

airazurxtror · Post by **airazurxtror** » 13 Apr 2007, 19:08

ElcoB wrote:
Avro wrote:...
It's outragous to ...
Till further order, going on strike is a legitimate democratic right.
What do you want ? dictatorship of the sharreholders?

To strike is a democratic right, agreed.
But it must be made according to the democratic and lawful rules, that is to say with a notice (déposer un préavis de grève). According to the sector of work, the notice must be of a determined length, often two weeks. And a strike may be declared only after a democratic vote of the union members and if the majority of them agree.
A wild cat strike (grève sauvage) is undemocratic - and totalitarism at its worst.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 13 Apr 2007, 19:52

I don't want to pay the costs of this day. They don't realise what impact it will have in every segment: airliners, cargo, pax. Claims will follow.
Its a whole day that there was no economical movement. I'm affraid that this was the drop for some airlines to drop Brussels Airport forever.

I heard one of the unions and he said it was due to lack and no communication between management and employees. I'm very sorry, but that's intern. Solve the problems intern like every serious company. Don't mess with it. And this for some euro's more. The damage will be millions of euro's!!!!!!

Post by **Bruspotter** » 13 Apr 2007, 22:25

Hello

EBAW got a nice diversion due to the strike. Around half 4 a Austrian Arrows Fokker 70 (OE-LFL) came in, it left 17:13.

Best regards: Yannick

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 13 Apr 2007, 22:31

"Brussels airport cannot be held responsible for this strike"

http://www.standaard.be/Artikel/Detail. ... 2025070413

galaxy · Post by **galaxy** » 13 Apr 2007, 22:47

airazurxtror wrote: is it a "force majeure" for the airlines?

blackhawk wrote:ooh well, it's Friday the 13th

It's a "farce majeure" for the airlines too.

Tommypilot · Post by **Tommypilot** » 13 Apr 2007, 22:49

I have only 3 things to say:

* It's friday the 13th...(unforseen off course)

* Its Belgium again...

* Glad its weekend...what a **** day! (still lots of work to do for monday)

Kind regards,

beaucaire · Post by **beaucaire** » 13 Apr 2007, 22:58

aren't firemen considered as public service agents ???
Normally public service agents are not supposed to strike,since they have-in turn-job-protection...
When people are hired in a special function they know upfront that the salaries and/or responsibilities are well defined when they sign their contract.
Travellers are the prefered victims worldwide - I find it unrespectful to systematically use other people's time,money , energy and ruined aganda's as means to obtain pay-rises. One can already now predict strikes in France just some days ahead of public holidays...

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 14 Apr 2007, 00:02

Agree with above statement, but the multi million Euro question is:

beaucaire wrote:
aren't firemen considered as public service agents ???

If today's terrorists are public servants (= from "to serve"...) - like most firemen/women - on the payroll from the Belgian's Minister of Home Affairs, there can be some discussion. If however the firemen/women are paid by Brussels Airport, the airport is legally responsible for the damage the strike has caused. The legal basis is Article 1383 from the Belgian Civil Law (Burgerlijk Wetboek / Code civil):

in Dutch: Ieder is aansprakelijk niet alleen voor de schade welke hij door zijn daad, maar ook voor die welke hij door zijn nalatigheid of door zijn onvoorzichtigheid heeft veroorzaakt.

in French: Chacun est responsable du dommage qu'il a causé non seulement par son fait, mais encore par sa négligence ou par son imprudence.

This is a Belgian law, thus no official translation. But 1383 says: "you break it, you pay it".

Are the firemen/women employed by Brussels Airport SA/NV? Who knows who's paying the salaries from these ..... (censured by LX-LGX himself)?

Ruscoe · Post by **Ruscoe** » 14 Apr 2007, 02:32

Sometimes big Australian Companies treat workers like expendable assets.

They find out eventually to their own detriment that Human Resource Manage,ent is not just about squeezing the last ounce of blood out of people.

It works in the short term, but not in the long term.

If your view is to rapidly build the business and resell it, then it might work, but if you want a stable, long term, profitable buisness, then it is probably not the way to go.

This will only be one of many industrial battles which will confront Europe as it will try to grapple with the fact that their are billions of people in Asia who will work for a month for the same pay that a European, Australian or yank gets in a day.

By the way we had this battle in OZ 10 years ago and the unions quite clearly lost.
The upside has been greatly increased productivity and wages, the downside has been that the weak and vulnerable are not as well looked after, and family life suffers because to get the extra money, you need to work for longer, and harder with cosequent increases in stress levels.
Ruscoe

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 14 Apr 2007, 08:55

LX-LGX wrote:Agree with above statement, but the multi million Euro question is:

beaucaire wrote:
aren't firemen considered as public service agents ???

If today's terrorists are public servants (= from "to serve"...) - like most firemen/women - on the payroll from the Belgian's Minister of Home Affairs, there can be some discussion. If however the firemen/women are paid by Brussels Airport, the airport is legally responsible for the damage the strike has caused. The legal basis is Article 1383 from the Belgian Civil Law (Burgerlijk Wetboek / Code civil):

in Dutch: Ieder is aansprakelijk niet alleen voor de schade welke hij door zijn daad, maar ook voor die welke hij door zijn nalatigheid of door zijn onvoorzichtigheid heeft veroorzaakt.

in French: Chacun est responsable du dommage qu'il a causé non seulement par son fait, mais encore par sa négligence ou par son imprudence.

This is a Belgian law, thus no official translation. But 1383 says: "you break it, you pay it".

Are the firemen/women employed by Brussels Airport SA/NV? Who knows who's paying the salaries from these ..... (censured by LX-LGX himself)?

It seems the firedepartment is paid by ... Brussels Airport and not the government. http://www.standaard.be/Artikel/Detail. ... 042007_001

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 14 Apr 2007, 09:40

Thanks for reconfirming it. Minister Landuyt also said this in another article, but that guy is too unreliable as source.

An employer is legally responsible for the damage it's employers cause (with exception of incdents, caused by the famous farce majeure / overmacht / Hand of God).

CSB · Post by **CSB** » 14 Apr 2007, 15:24

while we are at the legal side of it,

The employer is not responsible for the damage its employer causes in case of fraud, severe fault or repeated light faults (Bedrog, zware fout en gewoonlijk voorkomende lichte fout). (art 18 arbeidsovereenkomstenwet)

So if you can qualifie an unnanounced strike like this one, that causes that many problems, as a severe fault, Brussels airport isn't responsible for the damage!