4th A330 for SNBA very soon

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 13 Jul 2005, 21:35

Well I don't see Kenya Airways doing codeshare with SN since they are cooperating with Skyteam for the moment. Or are they even member of Skyteam?

Chris

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 13 Jul 2005, 21:58

I have forget to say that SN was one of the first airlines that used the automatic check-in at Zaventem. So they don't used the paper ticket anymore. That's a big profit only for that.

LJ · Post by LJ » 13 Jul 2005, 22:25

Well I don't see Kenya Airways doing codeshare with SN since they are cooperating with Skyteam for the moment. Or are they even member of Skyteam?

KLM still owns part of KQ so they won't be helping their main competitor (SNBA). KL/AF is doing everything to make life for SNBA more difficult and it seems that they succeed in doing this

ET would be possible but this would mean that SNBA would start service to ADD (a city already well served out of Europe by ET, KL, LH and others) and I wonder if ADD is such a nice place to transfer.

I have forget to say that SN was one of the first airlines that used the automatic check-in at Zaventem. So they don't used the paper ticket anymore.

E-ticketing and automated check in are unrelated. One can check in using the automated check in desks (at least at AMS) with a paper ticket and one can still check in the "oldfashioned" way with an E-ticket (which s a big money saver)

SierraFoxtrotMike · Post by **SierraFoxtrotMike** » 13 Jul 2005, 22:33

And if you are interested in rumours....Probably SN will fly the DKR-BJL route on the A319 as from the end of 2005....

Stop telling :censored: ...My god ! They are sometimes using 2 A319 'cause the 330 have some problems !!!! So ONE airplane (A319) is not sufficient anyway.

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 15 Jul 2005, 17:44

Avro wrote:Well I don't see Kenya Airways doing codeshare with SN since they are cooperating with Skyteam for the moment. Or are they even member of Skyteam?

KQ is now a Skyteam partner, as Tarom, Copa and Air Europa (not a fully member, see the slight difference...). KL still hold about 26% of KQ.

Seb.

burner737 · Post by **burner737** » 15 Jul 2005, 18:46

They won't buy another A330 !!!
They had to many problems with them
already !!! Buth the other A330s are plannend to be painted very soon ...

Zorba · Post by **Zorba** » 15 Jul 2005, 18:48

SN BA will use another A330. Maybe they had a lot of trouble with them, but the conditions in Africa are worse then here in Europe or America, that also counts. And it would be very stupid of SN BA too buy another type of aircraft, and pay for the schooling of pilots for the new type.

And the new aircraft was confirmed yesterday on KanaalZ

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 15 Jul 2005, 18:52

I must say that you are very strick in your post.

The A330 is not a bad aircraft at all, the only mistake they made was that they received the oldest aircrafts of the former fleet of Sabena. The bankrupt airline Delsey Airlines was flying with newer equipment then SNBA.

About the long haul aircrafts they gone not change them very soon.

Fiero · Post by **Fiero** » 15 Jul 2005, 19:27

But did they actualy find one already .
Because SN is already looking for 4 months (that I know of)so if they keep on going on this pace we won't have another one by the end of the year . Which is to late by my understanding. Because for good competition we need an aircraft now that can be used for other routes and extra flight and not as a back-up while the other ones are being painted and refurbished

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 15 Jul 2005, 20:46

As we can believe the news, Kanaal Z, the newspapers, etc then they have a forth aircraft. And indeed they have to use this aircraft for the full 100%, why wouldn't they. They want to use it at the beginning of the summer 2006.

This is plan Africa:

New destinations

new codeshare partners

forth aircraft

But they, SNBA, are also a little bit sceptic about the politics in Africa. They are not reliable. This is a reason for SNBA to touch the market in Africa and surch a good and political stable destination.

AirDupont · Post by **AirDupont** » 17 Jul 2005, 17:45

Have heard it will be 330-200 coming from Etihad. Should be the one they got from Volare in charter version.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 17 Jul 2005, 19:54

Are they going to lease that airplane from Etihad?

AirDupont · Post by **AirDupont** » 17 Jul 2005, 23:40

no from ILFC, EY leasing stops end '05.

Trocan · Post by **Trocan** » 25 Aug 2005, 17:25

When may we expect this new bird?
Did they found already one?

Rago · Post by **Rago** » 25 Aug 2005, 17:31

It's a long-term plan. They intend to get an extra one if they can succesfully use it (=fill it). This could be tomorrow, but it can be in ten years too...

teach · Post by **teach** » 25 Aug 2005, 22:16

Rago wrote:It's a long-term plan. They intend to get an extra one if they can succesfully use it (=fill it). This could be tomorrow, but it can be in ten years too...

Actually, the plan is to have it in the fleet by the end of this year or early 2006. That's not exactly a long-term plan if you ask me...

Rago · Post by **Rago** » 25 Aug 2005, 22:19

Sorry I had to say "this could be a long-term plan. Mea Culpa

Vinnie-Winnie · Post by **Vinnie-Winnie** » 25 Aug 2005, 22:35

Hopefully they will get a new one! Sounds strange but why not fly to baghdad with it? Plenty of willing customers prepared to pay thousands and thousands of euros! (Would also fill their connection routes from London and America!!!)

Ok I'm half serious here and i know the plane could be shot at but at least we wouldn't have a profitable/non-profitable route debate!!!

LJ · Post by LJ » 25 Aug 2005, 23:10

Hopefully they will get a new one! Sounds strange but why not fly to baghdad with it? Plenty of willing customers prepared to pay thousands and thousands of euros! (Would also fill their connection routes from London and America!!!)

None of the Western airlines who do have traffic rights (if I'm not mistaken LH, KL and AZ have traffic rights to Baghdad) to Baghdad currently fly to the airport due to security issues (you don't want to get shot at). Insurance premiums (if one can insure a flight to Baghdad) will be very very high. Basra would be an option but BA has also rights to this airport.

As far as I know SNBA hasn't any right to fly to either Basra or Baghdad.

tolipanebas · Post by **tolipanebas** » 29 Aug 2005, 11:53

I have no link or anything factual to back up what I am about to tell you, but let's just say an unusually favourable wind blew some higly interesting information my way....

SN will get its 4th A330 Q1 2007.
Unlike the 3 others, It will be an A330-200.
To brigde the time gap between winter 2005 and summer 2007 and to start with the long awaited expantion in Africa, SN is currently reviewing 2 interim possiblilities: wetlease a B767 OR get themselves an A321-200 (which offers more capacity than the A319). Since no final decision has been taken on this matter, the announcement of the lease contract for the 4th A330 has been delayed to coincide and give the complete picture of the future!

Important remark: the reason it will take so long for that 4th A330 to arrive, is supposedly because it is a BRAND NEW ONE!!! (which the leasing company had on order with Airbus but for which they did not yet have a customer)

Sounds pritty cool if you ask me; certainly 1 and possibly 2 new types in SN colours: the A330-200 and A321-200.