Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

[oldblueeyes]

Sometimes they have rumors, sometimes already taken decisions.

Looking back on the April interview of the CEO, there was a loud idea on A321 for heavy business and leisure routes, 320NEO as 320 replacement and upgauging of 319 and questionmarks on solutions for remaining A319 size future.

[crew1990]

Hi all,

I just see here https://sites.google.com/view/europeanairlinefleets/bel that SN would get 3 A321neo aircraft (in 2025) .

Quite strange because recently in their press-conference on their fleet expansion, they did not mention this ...

Can anyone confirm?

Cheers,
Danny

The press release you are mentioning is about the mid term planning for the long haul fleet and the wetlease contract for S25, nothing less nothing more. Some more information still have to be released, and yes they will be more than that as there is at least one extra medium haul aircraft (no a wet lease) planned for next summer. So even if I cannot confirm the 3 A321neo, still it has nothing opposed to what came from the last press release.

[Atlantis]

Let's say that this person of Europeanairlinefleets has very good inside info

[convair]

Let's say that this person of Europeanairlinefleets has very good inside info

Is it possible that SN is considering A321s for some long haul destinations? Like Dakar or ABJ...What about belly capacity in that case?

[DannyVDB]

Yet another interesting development.

Here https://sites.google.com/view/europeanairlinefleets/aua you can see the A320neo's of OS will go back to LH.

Maybe logic, but not from the point of view that the B738 are yet to come ...

Cheers,
Danny

[DannyVDB]

Let's say that this person of Europeanairlinefleets has very good inside info

Is it possible that SN is considering A321s for some long haul destinations? Like Dakar or ABJ...What about belly capacity in that case?

I think they are not meant for Africa. The A333 will handle those destinations, also because of the cargo capacity as you say ...

I think they will be used on routes such as Malaga, Madrid, Athens, Tenerife, London, Lisbon ... Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,
Danny

[DannyVDB]

Hi all,

On a side-note: what is the capacity of a 'regular' A321neo? Is that 200 pax? The A320neo's are 180, no?

Cheers,
Danny

[crew1990]

Let's say that this person of Europeanairlinefleets has very good inside info

Is it possible that SN is considering A321s for some long haul destinations? Like Dakar or ABJ...What about belly capacity in that case?

One more time, NO, it have been made already very clear that there will not be any A321 on long haul ops.

[crew1990]

Hi all,

On a side-note: what is the capacity of a 'regular' A321neo? Is that 200 pax? The A320neo's are 180, no?

Cheers,
Danny

A321neo comes in 2 configuration in the LH group, the first one within the Lufthansa and Swiss fleet have a configuration of 215 pax with 1 toilet in the front 1 toilet in the cabin and 2 toilet in the back.

Then there is the Eurowings configuration coming with around 232 seat. 1 toilet in the front 2 mini toilet in the « galley «  in the back.

I do really hope that if this aircraft come to SN it will be with 4 toilet because the plan now is to have a curtain to divide business from economy. And 2 toilet for the economy section is just not enough for 200 economy pax.

From a commercial point of view, the Lufthansa and Swiss configuration makes more sense, because of the extra toilet in economy. But from an operational point of view it’s better to keep the PW motorised fleet with one type of configuration and the LEAP fleet with the other type of configuration. And in this case SN neo’s are LEAP powered engines so is EW.


Wait and see…

[oldblueeyes]

Let's say that this person of Europeanairlinefleets has very good inside info

Is it possible that SN is considering A321s for some long haul destinations? Like Dakar or ABJ...What about belly capacity in that case?

It was always stated pretty clear that the customer profile on African routes is not compatible with the Cargo restrictions on the 321 LR or XLR.
And these 321 are regular ones for high density routes.

[lumumba]

Let's say that this person of Europeanairlinefleets has very good inside info

Is it possible that SN is considering A321s for some long haul destinations? Like Dakar or ABJ...What about belly capacity in that case?

It was always stated pretty clear that the customer profile on African routes is not compatible with the Cargo restrictions on the 321 LR or XLR.
And these 321 are regular ones for high density routes.

I don't think this is true for a destination like Luanda!

[Matt]

There are people here with a serious fetish for Long Haul with single aisle aircraft

And indeed: these are the "regular" A321's , not the LR nor the XLR

[Conti764]

What routes can sustain A321? TLV comes to mind...

[crew1990]

LHR, CDG, LPA, TLV, ALC, AGP, TFS and HER are the one coming to my mind.

But in the mean time the 3 A321neo have been removed from the EAF page…

[Conti764]

There are people here with a serious fetish for Long Haul with single aisle aircraft

And indeed: these are the "regular" A321's , not the LR nor the XLR

I don't think it has much do with a 'fetish' for single aisle long haul, but more with the potential an A321(X)LR could have for SN to open up routes they can't sustain with an A330. But the future plans for SN are pretty clear imho and have no room for long haul A321 ops.

[fcw]

There are people here with a serious fetish for Long Haul with single aisle aircraft

And indeed: these are the "regular" A321's , not the LR nor the XLR

I don't think it has much do with a 'fetish' for single aisle long haul, but more with the potential an A321(X)LR could have for SN to open up routes they can't sustain with an A330. But the future plans for SN are pretty clear imho and have no room for long haul A321 ops.

It has more to do with not understanding the difference between a regular 321 and the (X)LR version.

[nordikcam]

LHR, CDG, LPA, TLV, ALC, AGP, TFS and HER are the one coming to my mind.

But in the mean time the 3 A321neo have been removed from the EAF page…

Those A321 have bien removed and do not existe right now I guess...maybe a mistake ! .

[Ge203]

Indeed a mistake. While the A321 (XLR/LR or Normal range) was/is a project internally worked on by SN and LHG, it's more for long term perspective to cope with slot cap imposed by the Goverment(s). There's no phase in to be expected on the medium-haul sector for 2025, except for the 4 A220 wet-lease from Air Baltic, which are already a massive increase in capacity for next summer.

Next summer will be interesting so as to see if SN can win back market share from the capacity reduction foreseen by Transavia in Brussels and can limit other groups' expansion in Brussels (aka Vueling)

[sn26567]

LHR, CDG, LPA, TLV, ALC, AGP, TFS and HER are the one coming to my mind.

But in the meantime the 3 A321neo have been removed from the EAF page…

Those A321 have been removed and do not exist right now I guess...maybe a mistake ! .

The A321 has never been mentioned in a press conference, or in a press release.

[Conti764]

There are people here with a serious fetish for Long Haul with single aisle aircraft

And indeed: these are the "regular" A321's , not the LR nor the XLR

I don't think it has much do with a 'fetish' for single aisle long haul, but more with the potential an A321(X)LR could have for SN to open up routes they can't sustain with an A330. But the future plans for SN are pretty clear imho and have no room for long haul A321 ops.

It has more to do with not understanding the difference between a regular 321 and the (X)LR version.

Maybe, but the mentioning of the A321Neo only came today, while the dream of an A321(X)LR subfleet to open up routes which are unrealistic with an A330 is something that's been lingering on Av24 since Airbus launched the XLR...