Brussels Airlines in 2024

[Miqvell]

Announced by the ambassador, Ouagadougou is temporarily increased to 4 weekly (18 June - 17 Sept).

[Ge203]

Not so fast! The # 10 that was announced months ago is still at BRU, waiting for a "SN Brussels Airlines" sticker.

Not so fast what ? That's what was announced, I'm not making up things... The time it'll take is another story.
If you're talking about OO-SFP, there's a picture posted in Fleet-Renewal topic.

I was indeed hinting at the time these things take for implementation. Don't take it personnally.

Well, there’s no rush to put a sticker on an aircraft that won’t fly in the coming days. It arrived in BRU a little bit less than a month ago. Changing cabin, registration,… takes time. In the meantime SFB had been AOG due to engine issue, which had to be replaced. Since there’s a global shortage on the Trent 700 spare parts and engine as a whole, it has been decided to take the engine from SFP and to put it on SFB, so it can fly again.

Until that spare engine is there - which shouldn’t take long, there’s going to be impact on operations.

You can complain all you want, but these are the challenges every airline has to deal with nowadays.

[Homo Aeroportus]

Not so fast what ? That's what was announced, I'm not making up things... The time it'll take is another story.
If you're talking about OO-SFP, there's a picture posted in Fleet-Renewal topic.

I was indeed hinting at the time these things take for implementation. Don't take it personnally.

Well, there’s no rush to put a sticker on an aircraft that won’t fly in the coming days. It arrived in BRU a little bit less than a month ago. Changing cabin, registration,… takes time. In the meantime SFB had been AOG due to engine issue, which had to be replaced. Since there’s a global shortage on the Trent 700 spare parts and engine as a whole, it has been decided to take the engine from SFP and to put it on SFB, so it can fly again.

Until that spare engine is there - which shouldn’t take long, there’s going to be impact on operations.

You can complain all you want, but these are the challenges every airline has to deal with nowadays.

Thank you for the info.

Any idea what was the challenge faced by Lufthansa that prevented D-AIKG to be flown to BRU earlier?
She arrived from her last commercial flight on 18APR and landed in BRU on 15MAY.

Thanks.

H.A.

[convair]

Not so fast what ? That's what was announced, I'm not making up things... The time it'll take is another story.
If you're talking about OO-SFP, there's a picture posted in Fleet-Renewal topic.

I was indeed hinting at the time these things take for implementation. Don't take it personnally.

Well, there’s no rush to put a sticker on an aircraft that won’t fly in the coming days. It arrived in BRU a little bit less than a month ago. Changing cabin, registration,… takes time. In the meantime SFB had been AOG due to engine issue, which had to be replaced. Since there’s a global shortage on the Trent 700 spare parts and engine as a whole, it has been decided to take the engine from SFP and to put it on SFB, so it can fly again.

Until that spare engine is there - which shouldn’t take long, there’s going to be impact on operations.

You can complain all you want, but these are the challenges every airline has to deal with nowadays.

Thanks for the information.
BTW, I wasn't complaining; as a layman I was just wondering.

Now, contrary to what was stated about keeping every day a spare l/h plane, I notice that there were 8 l/h flights yesterday and today; hopefully, they all return safely later today, or early tomorrow morning rather.

[lumumba]

I was indeed hinting at the time these things take for implementation. Don't take it personnally.

Well, there’s no rush to put a sticker on an aircraft that won’t fly in the coming days. It arrived in BRU a little bit less than a month ago. Changing cabin, registration,… takes time. In the meantime SFB had been AOG due to engine issue, which had to be replaced. Since there’s a global shortage on the Trent 700 spare parts and engine as a whole, it has been decided to take the engine from SFP and to put it on SFB, so it can fly again.

Until that spare engine is there - which shouldn’t take long, there’s going to be impact on operations.

You can complain all you want, but these are the challenges every airline has to deal with nowadays.

Thanks for the information.
BTW, I wasn't complaining; as a layman I was just wondering.

Now, contrary to what was stated about keeping every day a spare l/h plane, I notice that there were 8 l/h flights yesterday and today; hopefully, they all return safely later today, or early tomorrow morning rather.

I'm not a specialist but it looks crazy to me that they don't have 2 or 3 spare engines...?

[rwandan-flyer]

Well, there’s no rush to put a sticker on an aircraft that won’t fly in the coming days. It arrived in BRU a little bit less than a month ago. Changing cabin, registration,… takes time. In the meantime SFB had been AOG due to engine issue, which had to be replaced. Since there’s a global shortage on the Trent 700 spare parts and engine as a whole, it has been decided to take the engine from SFP and to put it on SFB, so it can fly again.

Until that spare engine is there - which shouldn’t take long, there’s going to be impact on operations.

You can complain all you want, but these are the challenges every airline has to deal with nowadays.

Thanks for the information.
BTW, I wasn't complaining; as a layman I was just wondering.

Now, contrary to what was stated about keeping every day a spare l/h plane, I notice that there were 8 l/h flights yesterday and today; hopefully, they all return safely later today, or early tomorrow morning rather.

I'm not a specialist but it looks crazy to me that they don't have 2 or 3 spare engines...!

Since the covid there is a shortage in maintenance industry.

1st with human ressources : many lays off during covid. Most of time it was staff with a huge experience. It takes long time to train and hire new people.

Aviation Maintenance Technician Shortage Threatens Post-COVID Rebound https://interactive.aviationtoday.com/a ... d-rebound/

2nd global shortage of aircraft parts

Supply chain strains set to weigh on aviation industry bounce-back

Lead times to procure items such as metals and windshields can be 2 to 5 times longer compared with pre-2020 https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 024-02-23/

It will take at least 2 more years to see the situation to back to the normal

Many airlines are impacted

In december 2023, AF grounded over 10 A220s (for people there who thinks that it happens only at SN) due pilots shortage, bad weather but also shortage of aircraft parts.

More than ten Air France A220 planes are grounded, notably due to a lack of pilots

For its part, Air France indicates that "planes are unavailable" but "for operational hazards such as weather, breakdowns or a need for maintenance" . The French airline also ensures that “the pilot training system is operating at full capacity”. https://www-francetvinfo-fr.translate.g ... r_pto=wapp

This summer AF is leasing aircraft from ASL France (B737-800s) and also aircraft from Amelia (A319 and A320).

Furthermore for the second time in 6 months, they are leasing an Euro Atlantic B777-200ER. This time the aircraft operates a daily service to Delhi. In December 2023 and January 2024, the aircraft operated daily evening flights to Abidjan (the first daily was operated by AF using a B777).

Sometimes Privilege Style A330 can be seen at CDG. Last year, the aircraft operated flights to Luanda and Pointe Noire.

It means that depsite to get a big long haul fleet, AF can't operate all flights with their fleet. Delhi is served every day with A350 or A330-200. But we have to also for Air France the fact that they are phasing out some aircraft (A318, A319, B777-200ER, A330) to be replaced by A350s and A220s. But there is also lots of delays for the delivery of brand new aircraft.

[lumumba]

Thanks for the information.
BTW, I wasn't complaining; as a layman I was just wondering.

Now, contrary to what was stated about keeping every day a spare l/h plane, I notice that there were 8 l/h flights yesterday and today; hopefully, they all return safely later today, or early tomorrow morning rather.

I'm not a specialist but it looks crazy to me that they don't have 2 or 3 spare engines...!

Since the covid there is a shortage in maintenance industry.

1st with human ressources : many lays off during covid. Most of time it was staff with a huge experience. It takes long time to train and hire new people.

Aviation Maintenance Technician Shortage Threatens Post-COVID Rebound https://interactive.aviationtoday.com/a ... d-rebound/

2nd global shortage of aircraft parts

Supply chain strains set to weigh on aviation industry bounce-back

Lead times to procure items such as metals and windshields can be 2 to 5 times longer compared with pre-2020 https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 024-02-23/

It will take at least 2 more years to see the situation to back to the normal

Many airlines are impacted

In december 2023, AF grounded over 10 A220s (for people there who thinks that it happens only at SN) due pilots shortage, bad weather but also shortage of aircraft parts.

More than ten Air France A220 planes are grounded, notably due to a lack of pilots

For its part, Air France indicates that "planes are unavailable" but "for operational hazards such as weather, breakdowns or a need for maintenance" . The French airline also ensures that “the pilot training system is operating at full capacity”. https://www-francetvinfo-fr.translate.g ... r_pto=wapp

This summer AF is leasing aircraft from ASL France (B737-800s) and also aircraft from Amelia (A319 and A320).

Furthermore for the second time in 6 months, they are leasing an Euro Atlantic B777-200ER. This time the aircraft operates a daily service to Delhi. In December 2023 and January 2024, the aircraft operated daily evening flights to Abidjan (the first daily was operated by AF using a B777).

Sometimes Privilege Style A330 can be seen at CDG. Last year, the aircraft operated flights to Luanda and Pointe Noire.

It means that depsite to get a big long haul fleet, AF can't operate all flights with their fleet. Delhi is served every day with A350 or A330-200. But we have to also for Air France the fact that they are phasing out some aircraft (A318, A319, B777-200ER, A330) to be replaced by A350s and A220s. But there is also lots of delays for the delivery of brand new aircraft

Ok thanks for the explanation.

[rwandan-flyer]

Your welcome.

I think people should make the difference between structural problems at Brussels Airlines (which are probably not the same at Air France, KLM or British Airways) and global problems in aviation which has impact on Brussels Airlines operations and all airlines in the world. The post covid traffic has grown faster than planned.

Aviation workers are working with almost the same level than before covid but with less capacities (less staff, less planes,..)

[longwings]

I'm not a specialist but it looks crazy to me that they don't have 2 or 3 spare engines...?

Even when there is no shortage, wide-body engines are too expensive for small airlines to keep a spare or two just in case. You can buy a few used A320s for the cost of a new Trent 700.

[lumumba]

I'm not a specialist but it looks crazy to me that they don't have 2 or 3 spare engines...?

Even when there is no shortage, wide-body engines are too expensive for small airlines to keep a spare or two just in case. You can buy a few used A320s for the cost of a new Trent 700.

But anyway you need engines to make your plane's fly.
So you have to use it anyway a day or another so this is not an argument and anyway it keeps his value.

[Lux_avi]

I'm not a specialist but it looks crazy to me that they don't have 2 or 3 spare engines...?

Even when there is no shortage, wide-body engines are too expensive for small airlines to keep a spare or two just in case. You can buy a few used A320s for the cost of a new Trent 700.

But anyway you need engines to make your plane's fly.
So you have to use it anyway a day or another so this is not an argument and anyway it keeps his value.

Unscheduled engine changes very rarely happen (excluding the recent PW & RR engines...).
An engine is not like a tyre that you replace regularly, and it's not the same cost...

Does Brussels Airlines buy its engines, or are they leased (like lots of airlines do)?

[lumumba]

Even when there is no shortage, wide-body engines are too expensive for small airlines to keep a spare or two just in case. You can buy a few used A320s for the cost of a new Trent 700.

But anyway you need engines to make your plane's fly.
So you have to use it anyway a day or another so this is not an argument and anyway it keeps his value.

Unscheduled engine changes very rarely happen (excluding the recent PW & RR engines...).
An engine is not like a tyre that you replace regularly, and it's not the same cost...

Does Brussels Airlines buy its engines, or are they leased (like lots of airlines do)?

I see so if you have a fleet of 10 plane's you normally don't have a spare engine in stock?

[Homo Aeroportus]

But anyway you need engines to make your plane's fly.
So you have to use it anyway a day or another so this is not an argument and anyway it keeps his value.

Unscheduled engine changes very rarely happen (excluding the recent PW & RR engines...).
An engine is not like a tyre that you replace regularly, and it's not the same cost...

Does Brussels Airlines buy its engines, or are they leased (like lots of airlines do)?

I see so if you have a fleet of 10 plane's you normally don't have a spare engine in stock?

Ideally SN should be part of a Group. Then spare engine(s) could be shared.

H.A.

[oldblueeyes]

SN is part of a group and engines have similarities to other group airlines.

[lumumba]

SN is part of a group and engines have similarities to other group airlines.

That's exactly what I thought.

[Ge203]

Even when there is no shortage, wide-body engines are too expensive for small airlines to keep a spare or two just in case. You can buy a few used A320s for the cost of a new Trent 700.

But anyway you need engines to make your plane's fly.
So you have to use it anyway a day or another so this is not an argument and anyway it keeps his value.

Unscheduled engine changes very rarely happen (excluding the recent PW & RR engines...).
An engine is not like a tyre that you replace regularly, and it's not the same cost...

Does Brussels Airlines buy its engines, or are they leased (like lots of airlines do)?

Engines are managed at group level and are indeed leased, at least for the Trent 700. Together with the engine coming in, another 2 spare will be available for the LHG.

[Homo Aeroportus]

Engines are managed at group level and are indeed leased, at least for the Trent 700. Together with the engine coming in, another 2 spare will be available for the LHG.

Good strategy. Anticipation is the key indeed.

H.A.

[crew1990]

Concerning the coming Winter season production, the fleet is expanding with 1 A330 and 1 A320 VS last winter.

New (resumed) destination:

-Fuerteventura (FUE), Spain

S24 destination extended in winter:

-Krakow (KRK), Poland
-Nairobi (NBO), Kenya
-Athen (ATH), Greece

Some charter flight to the sun and nordic country on behalve of tour operator extended.

[Homo Aeroportus]

Concerning the coming Winter season production, the fleet is expanding with 1 A330 and 1 A320 VS last winter.
.....

S24 destination extended in winter:
.....
-Nairobi (NBO), Kenya
.....

Much needed fleet expansion for sure.

Today SN277 ACC and SN357 FIH are cancelled.
Yesterday the "Fly-when-possible" SN515 was cancelled again.

Good news is that OO-SFF, in MAN since 14MAY, is coming back and will operate SN255 to OUA on 14JUN.
I sympathize with the check-in agents that must go for the "our apologies but your flight has been cancelled" and this thousands of times.
Let's hope that with Foxtrot back things will go a bit smoother now.

H.A.

[nordikcam]

Concerning the coming Winter season production, the fleet is expanding with 1 A330 and 1 A320 VS last winter.
.....

S24 destination extended in winter:
.....
-Nairobi (NBO), Kenya
.....

Much needed fleet expansion for sure.

Today SN277 ACC and SN357 FIH are cancelled.
Yesterday the "Fly-when-possible" SN515 was cancelled again.

Good news is that OO-SFF, in MAN since 14MAY, is coming back and will operate SN255 to OUA on 14JUN.
I sympathize with the check-in agents that must go for the "our apologies but your flight has been cancelled" and this thousands of times.
Let's hope that with Foxtrot back things will go a bit smoother now.

H.A.

OO-SFF is in BRU ? No more cancelled flights ?