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an-148 wrote:- let's imagine some arabian company (Emirates, Qatar, Etihad,...)in discussion with LGG management to open a stopover in LGG for flying to US, Canada, South America, exactly like Jet Airways is doing in BRU.
Not likely. QR, EK and EY all prefer to do the flights nonstop (which they can do easily from the Middle East). QR is opening Toronto and will expand into more East Coast destinations. EK is also building has presence in the US and Canada. EY is lagging, but they would fly nonstop aswell. South America will never be covered via North West Europe as this a very big detour. In addition QR and EK already have direct (nonstop) flights to South America (QR to Buenos Aires, EK to Sao Paulo). Furthermore, other airports with more O&D would be first before LGG (Milan Malpensa would be a candidate as they have enough capacity).

Finally, all the airlines you mention do already have a considerable presence (although EY is lagging). They (QR, EK and EY) prefer nonstop flights as the competition offers this and certainly not will they add an additional transfer in markets where the competition offers something much better.

The only thing which may be viable next to LGG-LCY is that this airline becomes something like Amsterdam Airlines. Thus an airline which doesn't really operate from its home airport (LGG) but is still officially located at LGG. Or if they become some sort of niche player. However, than 5 aircraft would be too much.

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let's wait !!! I'm curious anyway !!

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LCY is not a hub. and the center of london is faster with eurostar almost.

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An A380 6 or 7 hours in LGG, disembarking the passengers,who jump in be.on.top A/C's flying to Bordeaux,Lyon,Toulouse, Orly,Essen,Ostende,Bristol,Luxembourg,Nantes,Groningen,Rennes,Copenhagen,...waiting for the A/C's to comeback, and then flying again to Dubai.

That would be racking a big area!

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Acid-drop wrote:LCY is not a hub. and the center of london is faster with eurostar almost.
It depends on where you live in Belgium / where you have to be in London.

Examples:

You live in Antwerp: fly from Deurne
You live west of Brussels: take the Eurostar as BRU is unreachable (asuming there's a flight to LCY)
You live east/south of Brussels: not much difference: Central London: Eurostar, East London: LCY, West London: LHR.

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I had a mail exchange with someone of the company, it's too early to get any official press comminication they say.
But I get a very fast answer everytime I mail them.

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I also heard Meusinvest placed a lot of money in SN Brussels and they'd have a verry good return ( und die danken lufthansa..!)
Meusinvest did not, its the SRIW, they have put round 50 billion €, Lufthansa will offer next April 2011 265 billion for the last 55%, it's not a bad business...

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News: it will be 5 Airbus the first year, all the same, hubs: Milan Heathrow are in a shedule i've seen, and strange destinations: Sion, Davos, Florence, London Southend, Paris Cergy-Pontoise

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Today on " L' Echo de la bourse ":
Some moderations...


Une nouvelle compagnie aérienne à Liège? Prématuré, répond Christian Delcourt, porte-parole de l’aéroport liégeois.

"Oui, le dossier existe, mais au même titre que d’autres. Il y a bien un souhait d’une société de créer une compagnie aérienne et de s’installer à Liège, mais c’est de l’ordre du projet. On ne sait pas si ça se fera, quand ça se fera, combien d’avions, etc. Pour l’instant, cela reste de l’ordre du confidentiel et de l’hypothétique", ajoute-t-il.

Selon les informations de la RTBF, le projet serait pourtant bien avancé. Ni charter, ni low-cost, la nouvelle compagnie, baptisée "Be on top", ferait du "feeding": dès la mi-2011, elle alimenterait les grandes compagnies européennes en passagers transitant par les capitales européennes avant de s’envoler vers d’autres continents.

"L’information a été communiquée récemment au comité de direction de l’aéroport de Liège: des hommes d’affaires liégeois et suisses seraient prêts à investir plus de 10 millions d’euros pour créer une compagnie aérienne qui s’installerait à Bierset. La nouvelle compagnie utiliserait entre cinq et dix avions en leasing pour relier avec des vols réguliers Liège et les principaux aéroports européens", affirme la RTBF.

Axe prioritaire: le cargo

"La stratégie première de l’aéroport de Liège est de développer le cargo", réagit Christian Delcourt, porte-parole de l’aéroport.

Avec un volume de fret international de 518.750 tonnes, Liège Airport occupait en 2008 la huitième place européenne.

"En moins de 15 ans, nous sommes entrés dans le Top 10 européen des aéroports pour le transport de marchandises. Il n’y a pratiquement pas d’activités passagers. Nous avons 350.000 passagers par an, contre 5 millions de passagers annuels à Charleroi et 17 à 18 millions à Zaventem."

Avec TNT comme principal opérateur, la croissance du cargo international a atteint 20,6&flexSpace;% en 2007, soit la troisième performance mondiale, explique l’aéroport. Depuis plus de 10 ans, la croissance de l’activité cargo à Liège a dépassé en moyenne 13&flexSpace;% par an. En 2010, le volume transporté dépassera même les 600.000 tonnes. "Ce sera un nouveau record, après l’année 2008", note Christian Delcourt. Liège Airport pourrait ainsi grimper de la 8e à la 6e place du classement des aéroports de fret en Europe.

Le deuxième pôle d’activité de Liège Airport est moins chanceux et a connu une importante baisse de trafic cette année. "Avec la crise, Thomas Cook a préféré supprimer des vols à partir de Liège, pour rester rentable", note Christian Delcourt.

En 2009, l’aéroport proposait néanmoins 20 destinations. "Nous avons une activité charters, pendant les grandes vacances essentiellement. Nous faisons notre chiffre sur deux mois, en juillet et août. Deux tour-opérateurs principaux sont présents à Liège: Jetair et Thomas Cook", précise Christian Delcourt.

développer le trafic passagers

Si le trafic passager n’est pas l’axe prioritaire de développement et reste une activité périphérique dans le chiffre d’affaires (18 millions d’euros en 2009 au total), les projets visant à remplir les capacités de l’aéroport sont examinés avec soin.

"Nous avons 350.000 passagers par an. Notre terminal peut en accueillir jusqu’à un million. Il n’y a pas de raison qu’on n’essaie pas de remplir nos capacités", concède le porte-parole.

Les volontés existent. Ryanair a été l’un des candidats, "mais à des conditions commerciales qui ne nous agréaient pas. Ensuite, étant donné la stratégie des aéroports wallons — qui est de développer le cargo sur Liège et le low-cost sur Charleroi — il est difficile d’imaginer que Ryanair vienne s’installer ici", précise-t-il.

"Nous voulons certes développer le trafic passager, mais la concurrence est très rude entre les plates-formes aéroportuaires, ajoute-t-il. Nous sommes très près de Maastricht, Eindhoven, Cologne, Dusseldorf. La concurrence est assez vive. Il faut vraiment que les compagnies y trouvent une rentabilité. Les dossiers prennent du temps."

Le dossier évoqué par la RTBF n’est pas mûr, répète-t-il.

L’Awex, sollicité lors de projets impliquant des investisseurs étrangers, affirme n’avoir aucune demande dans le cadre de ce dossier. "Il existe bien, mais il est beaucoup trop tôt pour avoir une idée de sa réalisation", estime Arnaud Collette, porte-parole de l’Awex. Le holding public Meusinvest a été sollicité, rapporte la RTBF, mais doit encore examiner le dossier. Affaire à suivre.
"Voyez-vous dans la vie, il n'y a pas de solutions. Il y a des forces en marche : il faut les créer, et les solutions les suivent." [Antoine de Saint-Exupéry]

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Deep Throat wrote:News: it will be 5 Airbus the first year, all the same, hubs: Milan Heathrow are in a shedule i've seen, and strange destinations: Sion, Davos, Florence, London Southend, Paris Cergy-Pontoise
Heathrow?????? How much money do these guys have? Slots aren't cheap at this airport. As for Milan, didn't the now defunct KLMexel once fly Maastricht - Milan?

As for Davos, wouldn't they be the first to offer scheduled service to Davos? I can't recall that any airline is currently flying to Davos.

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Deep Throat wrote:
I also heard Meusinvest placed a lot of money in SN Brussels and they'd have a verry good return ( und die danken lufthansa..!)
Meusinvest did not, its the SRIW, they have put round 50 billion €, Lufthansa will offer next April 2011 265 billion for the last 55%, it's not a bad business...
I hope you mean 265 million as if 55% = 265 billion than the airline would be valued at 481billion (which is more than 100 times AF/KL and 100bio more than Belgium GDP....).

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It's quite good to see that the management of LGG has a clear vision of all this : "it's a project, we'll see, the focus is on cargo". And in my opinion, they are very right to do so. LGG is still growing very fast in cargo.
Deep Throat wrote:News: it will be 5 Airbus the first year, all the same, hubs: Milan Heathrow are in a shedule i've seen, and strange destinations: Sion, Davos, Florence, London Southend, Paris Cergy-Pontoise
Heathrow and Milan, ok.
But for the other destinations, :shock:
that's not hubs, it's not for feeding anymore.
Sion, Davos ? for snow high class tourists ?
London Southend, Paris Cergy-Pontoise : :o That's extremely specific destinations

there must be something we don't understand.

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Deep Throat wrote:News: it will be 5 Airbus the first year, all the same, hubs: Milan Heathrow are in a shedule i've seen, and strange destinations: Sion, Davos, Florence, London Southend, Paris Cergy-Pontoise
You're kidding us, right?

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May be the Priory of Sion and Robert Langdon want to start-up an Airline to transport their secret members...

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I saw them very often, i have a desk not far from the LGG resto, they are at least 20 on work, and they look very pro, I saw a big staff of Lufthansa speekin' with us, it seems the chairman executive is a 747 capt, ex DAT, not very funny, but head of CC are very nice ..., they were talkin' about Emirates ... but they don't seem to go out off Europe.

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Hmmm...too good to be true...

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BeOnTop or BeOnFlop.
I hope Meusinvest stays away from this "project". It smells like daylight robbery, rip-off... :problem:

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liege-bierset wrote:BeOnTop or BeOnFlop.
I hope Meusinvest stays away from this "project". It smells like daylight robbery, rip-off... :problem:
You seem to be a great specialist, Why ?

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Deep Throat wrote:I saw them very often, i have a desk not far from the LGG resto, they are at least 20 on work, and they look very pro, I saw a big staff of Lufthansa speekin' with us, it seems the chairman executive is a 747 capt, ex DAT, not very funny, but head of CC are very nice ..., they were talkin' about Emirates ... but they don't seem to go out off Europe.
Excuse me, what do you smoke ? Or maybe, do you work for Wikileaks? :o
Deep Throat wrote:
liege-bierset wrote:BeOnTop or BeOnFlop.
I hope Meusinvest stays away from this "project". It smells like daylight robbery, rip-off... :problem:
You seem to be a great specialist, Why ?
I'm not !
But I am old enough to know that Davos has no airport. Nearest place is Zürich (160 Km).
Best regards.

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liege-bierset wrote: But I am old enough to know that Davos has no airport. Nearest place is Zürich (160 Km).
Best regards.[/color]
Actually, there is, but it's located near St. Moritz. IT has a runway of about 1700m at an altitude of 1700m. So no 320 operations.

But I don't beleive Deep Troat's story either...

Cheers,

Stij

P.S. Edit for wrong word inserted by Ipad...
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