2 additional frequencies to D.R.C. for Brussels Airlines

[OO-ITR]

Besides why would a pensioned man search for an sn-job anyway, di rupo that desparate to send pensioned guys which wanting to travel cheap back to a job

well maybe for SABENA then. Some people hold a grunge whole their life and stay frustrated.

Well, it's of no interest, and off-topic, but just for the record : I have never worked (nor applied to work) for an airline or any company related to aviation.

off topic? really? I thought you were alwasy ON topic

[sean1982]

@ OO-ITR

In the end, the big business passenger would always fly with SN, JAF aims at the class below, which is why I don't understand, the rights are granted to SN.

yes but how can JAF make this route profitable if they only have the eco pax? It's not that there are a lot of holiday possibilities in FIH like they have in Thailand, Mexico, Dominican Republic etc...
FIH is not a holiday destination like all other JAF's destinations

Nor is algiers, tirana, Bejaija, oran, Tel aviv, Pristina, Ohrid, skopje, Al hoceima, fez, casablanca, tangier, Nador, oujda, Rabat, tetouan, etc.... The time that JAF was just a holiday carrier is looong gone

[OO-ITR]

Nor is algiers, tirana, Bejaija, oran, Tel aviv, Pristina, Ohrid, skopje, Al hoceima, fez, casablanca, tangier, Nador, oujda, Rabat, tetouan, etc.... The time that JAF was just a holiday carrier is looong gone

uhm not sure if you have been in most of these destinations but they have a lot of hotels and resorts...and a lot of holiday tourists...

[sean1982]

Then bru air is a holiday carrier as well cause in madrid, stockholm, vienna, geneva, london, paris, rome, copenhagen, berlin there are also a lot of hotels and tourists. What an argument. :-/ Give me 1 destination where a legacy carrier flies that does not have a hotel???

[OO-ITR]

Then bru air is a holiday carrier as well cause in madrid, stockholm, vienna, geneva, london, paris, rome, copenhagen, berlin there are also a lot of hotels and tourists. What an argument. :-/ Give me 1 destination where a legacy carrier flies that does not have a hotel???

come one dude. lets compare Tel Aviv and Kinshasa. Have you already been in FIH??? Maybe go there first and then make comments!

[sean1982]

FIH no, BZV yes, compare it with let's say: casa, rabat, algiers? Not much of a difference. i do know what Im talking about

[OO-ITR]

FIH no, BZV yes, compare it with let's say: casa, rabat, algiers? Not much of a difference. i do know what Im talking about

PFF anyone else to share anything VALUABLE in this topic?

[sean1982]

hahaha funny how people react when they cannot win an argument. I think the fact that JAF is no longer just a package holiday carrier is actually VERY valuable in this whole discussion

[FlightMate]

There sure is a lot of money to be made flying to Kinshasa. With or without business class. Ex-colony, does that sound familiar to you, OO-ITR?

I think that if JAF was allowed to fly to FIH, they would have stolen a lot of pax from SN.
After all, a lot of the pax are flying point to point, and not connecting from/to somewhere else in Europe. They are only looking for the cheapest fare (and with a safe airline?).These are the pax JAF was after.
Maybe a case for JAF to go and complain at European level... Same as to the rights to Mauritius.

I don't like going to Kinshasa, but I love going to Mauritius, and it is indeed disappointing that there is no direct flight from BRU. Didn't know that SN had the rights to fly there but don't want to while JAF wants to fly there and didn't get the rights. Maybe a case to complain in the press?

[b720]

JAF is after VFR traffic to FIH. They would probably have offered cheap fares (O.W> fare options) .. this would
have resulted in the creation of new traffic, not necessarily stealing from SN.
Cheap fares encourage more frequent VFR traffic. Those who used to fly once a year to FIH or vice versa will be able to do so 2 or 3 x a year. maybe taking all their kids with them, while before it was too expensive.
SN will not loose much traffic as they offer:
daily flights (much more flexibility), full service, possibility of connecting throughout EUrope, and USA, FF program etc.. they might have to throw in a few cheap seats into the market, maybe on the days JAF flies to FIH. Overal the number of PAX flying between both cities will only increase. I believe that it is a very big mistake to award the 2 frequencies to SN.

[cnc]

we are talking about only 2 slots...
SN already serves FIH and needs extra slots so its obvious they got them.
this logic is followed by every country from korea to the US

[OO-ITR]

hahaha funny how people react when they cannot win an argument. I think the fact that JAF is no longer just a package holiday carrier is actually VERY valuable in this whole discussion

DUDE this is not about winning an argument. it's about bringing valuable information to a topic.
You told it yourself. you have never been in FIH. then why bothering with stupid comments in a FIH topic???

[airazurxtror]

you have never been in FIH. then why bothering with stupid comments in a FIH topic???

Actually, it's a JAF vs SN topic.

[OO-ITR]

you have never been in FIH. then why bothering with stupid comments in a FIH topic???

Actually, it's a JAF vs SN topic.

concerning FIH!!!

[SabenaForever]

Guys, please stay on topic!! Instead of making this topic a SN vs JAF fight..

[tolipanebas]

In the end, the big business passenger would always fly with SN, JAF aims at the class below, which is why I don't understand, the rights are granted to SN.

Because extra flights by SN have a much higher value for Belgium than extra flights by JAF, simple as that.

JAF would simply be aiming at point-to-point passengers, whereas SN can use these same 2 slots to operate additional network flights, aimed not only at the point-to-point traffic flows like JAF would, but also aimed at increasing the feeding of the existing European and transatlantic flights of SN, all while helping to attract additional (long haul) STAR alliance partner airlines to BRU, as well as help support the SN subsidiary Korongo at the other end in the RDC.

Needless to say all of that network activity will help support far more Belgian jobs and is thus of much higher value to our country's economy than JAF could ever generate from the same 2 slots as a point-to-point airline, so it's only logic these slots go to SN.

Like it or not, but the Belgian government is not there to facilitate the cheapest possible flights for Congoleese living in Belgium; it is there to defend the economic interests of Belgium and in this case, those are best served by helping to strengthen the hub in BRU. The last thing our government should be considering is turning BRU into a sort of a CRL for ethnic travellers, with good passenger numbers, but with little or no added value whatsoever.

[sean1982]

hahaha funny how people react when they cannot win an argument. I think the fact that JAF is no longer just a package holiday carrier is actually VERY valuable in this whole discussion

DUDE this is not about winning an argument. it's about bringing valuable information to a topic.
You told it yourself. you have never been in FIH. then why bothering with stupid comments in a FIH topic???

DUDE, I've been on the other side of the river. It's not that different. I suppose slagging off people is valuable? Now stop telling me what I can and cannot do. I'm old enough to decide that for myself

[airazurxtror]

Like it or not, but the Belgian government is not there to facilitate the cheapest possible flights for Congoleese living in Belgium; it is there to defend the economic interests of Belgium and in this case, those are best served by helping to strengthen the hub in BRU. The last thing our government should be considering is turning BRU into a sort of a CRL for ethnic travellers, with good passenger numbers, but with little or no added value whatsoever.

Juicy !
In other words, SN is there to help strenghten BRU, BRU main goal presumably being to strenghten SN ?
The interest of the customers are put far down the line, as usual ...
The good old Sabena mentality is still alive and well, gentlemen !

[OO-ITR]

hahaha funny how people react when they cannot win an argument. I think the fact that JAF is no longer just a package holiday carrier is actually VERY valuable in this whole discussion

DUDE this is not about winning an argument. it's about bringing valuable information to a topic.
You told it yourself. you have never been in FIH. then why bothering with stupid comments in a FIH topic???

DUDE, I've been on the other side of the river. It's not that different. I suppose slagging off people is valuable? Now stop telling me what I can and cannot do. I'm old enough to decide that for myself

then you should know better. See JAF bringing tourists to FIH to spend one or two weeks there??? I don't
And I'm old enough not to think this is sort of a game by winning or losing an argument. Have outgrown kindergarden since a long time now. PERIOD!

[tolipanebas]

Like it or not, but the Belgian government is not there to facilitate the cheapest possible flights for Congoleese living in Belgium; it is there to defend the economic interests of Belgium and in this case, those are best served by helping to strengthen the hub in BRU. The last thing our government should be considering is turning BRU into a sort of a CRL for ethnic travellers, with good passenger numbers, but with little or no added value whatsoever.

Juicy !
In other words, SN is there to help strenghten BRU, BRU main goal presumably being to strenghten SN ?
The interest of the customers are put far down the line, as usual...

So you'd prefer our government to throw away any added value to our country's economy 2 additional SN flights can bring over 2 theoretical JAF flights then? Is that what you're saying?

Are you willing to 'sponsor' the tickets of Congoleese heading home through higher income taxes to make up for that loss then, because let's be clear about this: less overall economic activity (and thus less tax revenues from that activity), means more taxes for the others.

You're running into intellectual troubles with your blind love for ever lower ticket fares, as you've just discovered that low fares often mean sponsored fares and guess what? This time round, you'd be the one asked to sponsor the flights of others... unless you'd want to 'enoy' a holiday in FIH for a week, that is, but believe me, you don't want to do that!