Helicopters down in Afghanistan and Iraq

regi · Post by **regi** » 07 Feb 2007, 13:49

Today 7-02-07 there was rumour about a crashed Chinook.

Post by **ElcoB** » 07 Feb 2007, 13:52

BAGHDAD, Feb 7 (Reuters) "We have a CH-46 that is down," U.S. military spokesman Major-General William Caldwell told reporters, referring to the twin-rotor Sea Knight, the Marine version of the Chinook, which can carry up to 55 passengers and two crew.

The U.S. military confirmed on Wednesday that a transport helicopter had come down

regi · Post by **regi** » 07 Feb 2007, 16:55

First witness reports speak about a missile. If this is true and it continues, it will mean the end of the US military involvement in Iraq as we have seen the last years.
Read my previous reports about it.
The helicopters are an important system in the entire process. Without them there is no more air transport availability. And close attack/defense/support by helicopters falls away.
This will mean that the control over large civilian population will be impossible from above. Without it the military will not enter inner cities.
The result will be that the military will retract in very large compounds outside the cities. There will be even less contact with the iraqi population.
Because this isolation will bring them nowhere they will get out of Iraq in the long run.
All of this has been predicted many times before. The best example were the Stingers in Afghanistan.
Next?

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 07 Feb 2007, 19:04

ElcoB wrote:BAGHDAD, Feb 7 (Reuters) "We have a CH-46 that is down," U.S. military spokesman Major-General William Caldwell told reporters, referring to the twin-rotor Sea Knight, the Marine version of the Chinook, which can carry up to 55 passengers and two crew.
The U.S. military confirmed on Wednesday that a transport helicopter had come down

An American CH-46 Sea Knight military helicopter crashed about 20 miles northwest of Baghdad on Tuesday, killing all seven crew members and passengers on board, the American military said today.

It is the fifth American helicopter to crash or be shot down in less than three weeks, and military officials have grown increasingly concerned that Iraqi insurgents have adapted their tactics to be much more effective against American aircraft.

“I looked at the sky and saw this big helicopter with double rotors, and it was hit in its tail and burning,” the witness said, declining to give his name. “Another helicopter, with one rotor, was flying just behind it.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/07/world ... r=homepage

Post by **ElcoB** » 07 Feb 2007, 20:59

From the news release from U.S. Department of Defense:

The Department of Defense announced today the death of two soldiers who were supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.
They died Feb. 2 in Taji, Iraq, of wounds suffered when their Apache helicopter was forced to land during combat operations.
Both soldiers were assigned to the 1st Battalion, 227th Aviation Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division, Fort Hood, Texas.

DoD Identifies Army Casualties
"...forced to land.." military speak for "shot down"?

Post by **ElcoB** » 09 Feb 2007, 23:59

February 7, 2007 - CH-46E Sea Knight from HMM-364, crashed north-west of Taji, killing all 7 on board.
According

this video, the chopper is clearly downed by a rocket.
The video opens with the title of the 'organization’ that produced the video “Al-Furqan Media Productions”. (note: many, if not most recent videos of attacks are distributed by the same group, based on the songs they add to the background, it is probably pro-Qa`ida).

Post by **ElcoB** » 14 Feb 2007, 19:20

Apache crash on 11 feb.2007 ?

Several news-items mentioned this:

U.S. helicopter down north of Baghdad: residents

But this is not yet confirmed and even denied by military sources:

U.S. Military: No Reports of Copter Down

Post by **ElcoB** » 18 Feb 2007, 10:51

This morning, 18/02/2007 several news-agencies announced a crash of an American Chinook in Afghanistan.

Pilot was able to report engine problems before the crash.
No other facts known as the rescue-operation is underway.

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 18 Feb 2007, 14:23

• Eight coalition troops killed and 14 injured in helicopter crash
• Crew reported an engine failure before going down in southeastern
• CH-47 helicopter was carrying 22 people at time of crash

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiap ... index.html

tsv · Post by **tsv** » 21 Feb 2007, 14:18

regi wrote:First witness reports speak about a missile. If this is true and it continues, it will mean the end of the US military involvement in Iraq as we have seen the last years.
Read my previous reports about it.
The helicopters are an important system in the entire process. Without them there is no more air transport availability. And close attack/defense/support by helicopters falls away.
This will mean that the control over large civilian population will be impossible from above. Without it the military will not enter inner cities.
The result will be that the military will retract in very large compounds outside the cities. There will be even less contact with the iraqi population.
Because this isolation will bring them nowhere they will get out of Iraq in the long run.
All of this has been predicted many times before. The best example were the Stingers in Afghanistan.
Next?

And the problem is? In case people have forgotten this is Iraqi airspace and US aircraft never had (and therefore still don't have) any legal basis to occupy it. Therefore whatever fate befalls them during their stay is their problem.

Post by **ElcoB** » 21 Feb 2007, 15:33

February 21, 2007 - A UH-60 Black Hawk made a "hard landing" north of Baghdad, nine military personel on board safely evacuated the aircraft and have been rescued by an other chopper.

Black Hawk makes "hard landing"

So far this year :

Post by **ElcoB** » 21 Feb 2007, 21:12

Iraqi police captain Mahmoud al-Mashhadani said he saw some type of projectile hitting the helicopter before it came down in a rural area known as the Line, 30 km north of Baghdad.
...
A U.S. Black Hawk helicopter that went down north of Baghdad on Wednesday is believed to have been shot down, the military said.

A statement from the U.S. military said all nine people on board were evacuated and there were no serious injuries.

"The indications are now, again it's preliminary, but the indications are now that it was brought down by small arms fire and RPGs -- rocket propelled grenades," said Major-General William Caldwell, the chief U.S. military spokesman in Iraq.

BAGHDAD 21 Feb 2007 Reuters

regi · Post by **regi** » 22 Feb 2007, 14:17

Some reports show the use of high powered rifles by Iraqi freedom fighters. These are not exactly sniper rifles, but weapons to make a heavy impact. They can knock out a armoured vehicle. The use of these weapons saw its limits during the second world war, especially during the tank battle of Kursk. But the last 5 years they have seen a come back.
For the weapon freaks:
http://club.guns.ru/eng/ntw20.html

Post by **ElcoB** » 23 Feb 2007, 19:11

Roser wrote:BAGHDAD, Feb. 22 (Xinhua) -- A U.S. helicopter crashed in an area north of Baquba City, 65 km northeast of Baghdad, on Thursday....
...

Yes , this news came yesterday but is not confirmed yet.
Probably a journalist made a mistake by repeating the news from the previous crash the day before.

Post by **ElcoB** » 01 Mar 2007, 14:54

February 28, 2007 - A U.S. Army OH-58 Kiowa made a hard landing in northern Iraq south of Kirkuk and preliminary reports indicated a mechanical problem injuring both crew.

Helicopter makes hard landing

Zenfookpower · Post by **Zenfookpower** » 01 Mar 2007, 16:42

tsv wrote:
regi wrote:First witness reports speak about a missile. If this is true and it continues, it will mean the end of the US military involvement in Iraq as we have seen the last years.
Read my previous reports about it.
The helicopters are an important system in the entire process. Without them there is no more air transport availability. And close attack/defense/support by helicopters falls away.
This will mean that the control over large civilian population will be impossible from above. Without it the military will not enter inner cities.
The result will be that the military will retract in very large compounds outside the cities. There will be even less contact with the iraqi population.
Because this isolation will bring them nowhere they will get out of Iraq in the long run.
All of this has been predicted many times before. The best example were the Stingers in Afghanistan.
Next?
And the problem is? In case people have forgotten this is Iraqi airspace and US aircraft never had (and therefore still don't have) any legal basis to occupy it. Therefore whatever fate befalls them during their stay is their problem.

TSV why don't you post your "conclusions" over here
http://www.dav.org/ instead...

tsv · Post by **tsv** » 01 Mar 2007, 20:31

Zenfookpower wrote:
TSV why don't you post your "conclusions" over here
http://www.dav.org/ instead...

Why don't you try going to Iraq and explaining to the millions Iraqis who have lost family members and friends there why the hell your country (and mine for that matter since Australia got dragged into it as usual) invaded them?

regi · Post by **regi** » 05 Mar 2007, 10:48

Uh? Zenfookpower, that was a link to a wrong website. What has a website about disabled US military to do with shot down helicopters in Iraq?

Post by **ElcoB** » 08 Mar 2007, 15:34

TBILISI, March 7 (RIA Novosti) - A Georgian helicopter involved in humanitarian operations in Iraq has crashed, Georgia's Imedi TV company reported Wednesday.

The crew - three Ukrainian pilots, who sustained minor injuries - and an undisclosed number of Iraqi passengers have been taken to a U.S. military hospital

Georgian helicopter crashes in Iraq

Air company Tusheti has three MI-8 helicopters.

Post by **ElcoB** » 30 Mar 2007, 22:36

General says U.S. Army has lost 130 helicopters in Iraq and Afghanistan March 23, 2007

The U.S. Army has lost 130 helicopters in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, about a third to shoot-downs, its aviation director said Friday. He complained that industry is not replacing them fast enough.

The U.S. Army has lost 130 helicopters