VLM looking for bigger aircraft?

an-148 · Post by **an-148** » 20 Mar 2006, 17:54

correction; another turboprop has more seats than F50: the ATR 72!
does it meet the LCY conditions?
nobody speaks about it!
one thing is sure : for the moment, its very difficult to acquire ATR 72: order book with up to 93 orders and nor very much second hand on the market (remember Aer Arann's difficulties to find planes for their new hub in LGG)

A_lexander · Post by **A_lexander** » 20 Mar 2006, 18:45

I think it looks beter!

tom_de_luxe · Post by **tom_de_luxe** » 20 Mar 2006, 23:36

Avro wrote:It's not possible to give a link due to the structure of the site. However go on www.flyvlm.com then try to book a flight LUX-LCY for May 15 and look at the equipment.

I made a screenshot here: http://coppermine.luchtzak.be/albums/us ... hot_01.jpg

Chris

The flight time does not reflect a jet equipment.

jelger · Post by **jelger** » 21 Mar 2006, 11:11

I think from Lux this is an OK scheduled time. besides, they can still vary now with equipment if needed towards a slower plane, and still fly on time. people like to get the feeling they arrive earlier than scheduled.

A_lexander · Post by **A_lexander** » 21 Mar 2006, 15:40

it does! If you look good at it...you see it says Avro.

tom_de_luxe · Post by **tom_de_luxe** » 21 Mar 2006, 18:09

A_lexander wrote:it does! If you look good at it...you see it says Avro.

I know that - but the flight times are the very same they use now with a Fokker 50. Luxair calculate 1:05 hrs with the EMB-135. I think the reason is they want to err on the side of caution really.

vc-10 · Post by **vc-10** » 21 Mar 2006, 20:55

Looking forward to seeing some new planes in VLM's livery. I know that LCY was arequirement in Swiss's deal for E-170s, so the plane should be able to fly in (not that Swiss ever took delivery....). Also, the E-Jets give the impression of being on a 737 or A320 from the passenger's point of view, so it could be a bit of a PR factor. Perhaps they could do a deal with Cirrus or Alitalia to sort out maintainence.

A_lexander · Post by **A_lexander** » 21 Mar 2006, 23:05

Still hoping for the AN-148

But I think it's wishfull thinking

I think Avro is the biggest candidate

Post by **sn26567** » 22 Mar 2006, 09:17

A_lexander wrote:If you look good at it...you see it says Avro.

And whose Avro would it be? Never has VLM announced it was acquiring new planes other than the F50! If it is an Avro, then again they are on the second-hand market!

PAA · Post by **PAA** » 22 Mar 2006, 09:36

Hi-

Info from insider @ VLM: the LUX flight is showing great progresses in terms of volume (full year 2005, increase of 25% in nr of pax, trend stable with 20% increase in january 2006). Yes VLM is evaluating a larger equipment on the route, however the route still needs to prove its profitability & positive network contriubtion. No Q400 has not been rejected. It only failed some...financial requirements (read my lips) and a/c availability could pontetially be an issue - I have been told by this reliable source.

Post by **sn26567** » 22 Mar 2006, 14:04

About VLM' plans for expansion with 100-seat aircraft, see at the bottom of this press releasefrom sister company Denim Air:

Denim Air is 100% owned by Panta Holdings BV, which also owns VLM Airlines of Belgium. While the two companies run autonomously, with separate management and different modus operandi, business practices are being shared. A fleet review is being undertaken for both companies – with interest in both the 100-seat market and larger turboprops. There are also plans to combine maintenance and technical expertise.

an-148 · Post by **an-148** » 22 Mar 2006, 14:10

as for the BAE/AVRO's to be leased, following question of sn26567, I believe there a some offers on the market: Flightline (UK) or WDL (D) as examples.

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 22 Mar 2006, 14:16

Thanks for posting, PAA!

You prove that it is perfectly possible to post rumours, as long as they are backed up and/or contain some figures.

Also your information about the DH4 sheds an other light on the situation... quite a difference with "it failed every test".

Frederic

EDIT: typo

Tommypilot · Post by **Tommypilot** » 22 Mar 2006, 14:41

Sabena_690 wrote:Also your your information about the DH4 sheds an other light on the situation... quite a difference with "it failed every test".

There we go again...you encourage people to use PM which I perfectly can understand but pls as an administrator you should give the example in stead of repeating that 'bad' move from Tim again and again.

Thx for the info PAA and Andre, it gives indeed a better vision on maybe future plans...

burner737 · Post by **burner737** » 22 Mar 2006, 16:02

I think I should post again ...

For an administrator your behavior is very childish !!!

+ I had my info from an inside guy ... and yes the financial part was also in it but there were other things as well !!!

I would like to say thank you for the people who supported me !!!

Regards Tim

Waldorf · Post by **Waldorf** » 23 Mar 2006, 22:41

burner737 wrote:I think I should post again ...

For an administrator your behavior is very childish !!!

+ I had my info from an inside guy ... and yes the financial part was also in it but there were other things as well !!!

I would like to say thank you for the people who supported me !!!

Regards Tim

Tommypilot wrote:
Sabena_690 wrote:Also your your information about the DH4 sheds an other light on the situation... quite a difference with "it failed every test".
There we go again...you encourage people to use PM which I perfectly can understand but pls as an administrator you should give the example in stead of repeating that 'bad' move from Tim again and again.

Thx for the info PAA and Andre, it gives indeed a better vision on maybe future plans...

Peppi and Kokki hit the road

When one can't handle the situation when his statements are doubted (and afterwards it was correct to do that I suppose) someone needs to feel himself obligated to support him by doing some crew-bashing.

We'll see how VLM deals with it, I think they won't give their decision to some 'kids' first. But to give my personal oppinion, hopefully they choose for an Avro, but time will tell.

airazurxtror · Post by **airazurxtror** » 15 Apr 2006, 18:22

In "Airliner World" for May 2006 :

VLM will introduce its first jets from May, in order to boost capacity to meet increased demand.
Technical evaluation of various models is in progress, including those from ATR, Bombardier and Embraer.
However, it seems that two Avro RJ70 will be acquired as an interim solution.
They should enter service from May 15, on the London City to Luxemburg route.

Post by **sn26567** » 17 Apr 2006, 10:57

airazurxtror wrote:VLM will introduce its first jets from May, in order to boost capacity to meet increased demand.
Technical evaluation of various models is in progress, including those from ATR, ....

A jet from ATR? That would be new!

airazurxtror · Post by **airazurxtror** » 17 Apr 2006, 11:14

My summary of that article was perhaps too summarized - my mistake.
Here are the main passages :

VLM will introduce its first jet aircraft from May as it attempts to boost capacity to meet growing demand.
The regional carrier has been working on detailed technical evaluations of various models, including those from ATR, Bombardier and Embraer, to replace its Fokker 50 fleet.
However, it is understood that two Avro RJ70 will be acquired as an interim solution.
David Nye, VLM's UK regional manager said : Current passenger figures and the constantly increasing load factors do require us to look at alternative aircraft. Since VLM uses several slot constrained airports, increasing the gauge of its aircraft is the only option to increase capacity further.

Aviation24.be

VLM looking for bigger aircraft?

VLM equipment on the Lux-LCY route