European blacklist has become effective

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 26 Mar 2006, 14:04

The sad thing is, that the airlines which would deserve to get on such a list the most, never will.

FLYCARGO · Post by **FLYCARGO** » 27 Mar 2006, 18:08

omag wrote:African international airways is on the list... no more of this at Ebos?

Oh well, if they aren't safe...

Hmm, African International Airways is not on that list, as far as I've seen. It does mention "Africa One" and "African Company Airlines", both registered in the Democratic Republic of Congo and without official ICAO designator.

AIN aircraft are South African registered and as far as I've seen no South African registered carriers are mentioned on that list...

Guess that means they are deemed safe...

EDIT: My mistake - went through the list and found what you were talking about: African International Airways - ICAO AIA?? -State of Operator Swaziland. Dunno if that will have any effect on the South African registered -62F's coming at OST/EBOS. Only Swazi registered a/c is 3D-AFR, which is a -55F and thus no longer allowed in European airspace... Well, I'm pretty sure that those whose name I won't mention will try to use this element from the list for their "good cause".

Rgds,

J.

joesoap101 · Post by **joesoap101** » 27 Mar 2006, 21:18

South African Airlink http://www.saairlink.co.za/ who owns 40% of Swaziland Airlink http://www.flyswaziland.com/ is quite unimpressed that the company falls under the blanket ban because their aircraft are South African registered.

The problem I have with this list is the potential for everyone to be tarred by the same brush which is counter productive, and yes most of these airlines dont come near Europe.

Again, like most things in Africa, South Africa provides a stark contrast!

SAA Technical (SAAT), a full-service maintenance, repair and overhaul organisation boasts the largest most advanced maintenance provider on the African continent. SAA Technical has more than 30 years experience in the field as a world-class aircraft maintenance organisation.

The company has had full, and uninterrupted, FAA certification, since the late nineteen eighties, serving an increasing number of local and international airlines. While its main operations comprise extensive premises at Johannesburg International Airport, it also services customers at Cape Town, Durban and smaller airports.

SAA Technical has a staff complement of 2904. Two thirds of which are maintenance-related staff, with a strong base of technical and engineering skills. The remainder form the support structure, including Engineering, Logistics, Quality Assurance, Finance and Human Resources.

SAA Technical is seeking to expand its services to international airlines, particularly those based in Europe, the Middle East and Africa. It has the capability, the resources and the facilities to meet the requirements of international carriers.

SAAT's proposals are based on three competitive advantages:

Quality,
Turnaround Time
Price
No compromise is permitted on any one of these factors, which together ensure complete customer satisfaction.

regi · Post by **regi** » 28 Mar 2006, 10:29

read in the dutch paper The Morgen about Wiloo who sues the government because this Swaziland plane was landing at Ostend.
http://www.demorgen.be/telex/?news=B310180

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 28 Mar 2006, 11:33

That article (a Belga press release) says that WILOO has filed an official complaint with Renaat Landuyt, the Belgian minister of Transport and with European Commissioner Jacques Barrot: both men allowed that "a plane" from African International Airways has landed in OST on 25th March 2006. "That's "illegal", says Wiloo. The anti-OST boys are also unhappy that minister Landuyt doesn't reply to their letters.

Personal messages for the Wiloo boys (and girls):

1. about AIA : Article 17 of the blacklist states: "This Regulation shall enter into force on the 20th day following that of its publication in the Official Journal of the European Union." The list has been published in the Official Journal of 24th March. Add 20 days to it (if you can), and you know till when AIA is allowed to fly to Ostend. Think it's the 44th March 2006.

2. about Landuyt: I can understand you are unhappy that Landuyt hasn't answered yet, but please understand he is studying the latest court orders about the dispertion plans for BRU. Believe me: that's more then the honourable minister can take.

MKAirlines · Post by **MKAirlines** » 28 Mar 2006, 13:54

AIAFlycargo there maintenance is done in Lasham UK and they are a southafrican company with offices in Johannesburg en London seems they have no ties to Swaziland Expect for 3D-AFX one DC8-54F used for Intra Africa Flights

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 28 Mar 2006, 17:53

I also trust AIA, but fact is that they are on the EU black list because they've choosen for the Swaziland CAA.

The complaint of Wiloo is a clear example of their "not in my backyard" mind. Every step that will lead to the closure of OST is OK, because the value of our houses then will increase. Off topic: it's like our Miss Peggy, from the Noordrand guys opposing BRU. She's running an import-export company and thus relying on cargo. But she doens't want to hear the planes bringing in her stuff.

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 10 Apr 2006, 12:16

It seems that France and Holland don't have much confidence in Europe's aviation safety plan:

http://reiskrant.nl/reiskrant/reisnieuw ... in_EU.html

In brief: there's a secret meeting in Amsterdam today, called Factor X. Top players involved from both governments. The first (official) purpose is SESAR, a new ATC security system. But it looks to me that the hidden agenda is more important.

Or should I have placed this post in "AF/KL merger"??? Because it seems that only those 2 state carriers will benefit from the plan. In other words: governements still can support their own carriers if they say they're working on aviation's security...

edwin · Post by **edwin** » 10 Apr 2006, 19:48

Sorry even though im dutch i dont speak it

what is the article saying about KLM and AF ?

A225HVY · Post by **A225HVY** » 11 Apr 2006, 08:33

It appears that the Nigerians are fighting back having just banned all Antonov designed aircraft and operators from Nigerian airspace............bit of a problem as ADB have aircarft holding to operate in there this week for the Government

A225HVY

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 23 Jul 2006, 13:51

On 20th June 2006, there have been some updates in this blacklist. The EU now calls it a "Fly well" list, and not a "blacklist".

main page, for your bookmarks:
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air/safety/flywell_en.htm

remember you will have to look for this item (pdf): "Community list of air carriers subject to an operating ban with the Community"

Latest update = 20/06/2006:
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air/safet ... ist_en.pdf

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 07 Sep 2006, 22:04

Another crash for a banned airline from DR Congo:

ITAB (International Trans Air Business) has lost a plane today (7th Sept 2006).

I don't have details, but "pilot and 3 passengers" suggest it's a small plane, not one of their BAC 1-11's

(4 people killed: I feel sorry for the 4 families)

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/New ... 64,00.html