BRU summer 2010: latest news, routes, airlines

[sdbelgium]

Timings will also change.

Current schedule

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BT601  RIX 0700  BRU 0830  15
BT602  BRU 0905  RIX 1225  15

BT603  RIX 1810  BRU 1935  57
BT604  BRU 2010  RIX 2330  57

BT607  RIX 1200  BRU 1325  234
BT608  BRU 1410  RIX 1730  234

New schedule

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BT601  RIX 0700  BRU 0825  x67
BT602  BRU 0905  RIX 1225  x67

BT603  RIX 1715  BRU 1840  x6
BT604  BRU 1915  RIX 2235  x6

All flights will also have an SN code.

[sdbelgium]

Aeroflot: Moscow – Brussels Increase form 1 to 2 Daily from 28MAY10 to 19SEP10 (10 weekly in S09)

Still not loaded in GDS...

[RoMax]

It looks like SN will fly 4 times a day to VIE from April, and I only found 3 daily flights in the summer 2009 timetable of Brussels Airport. But I did'n checked a lot of dates, so is it correct that SN will fly 1 extra daily flight to VIE from comming summer? + I found on some days 2 of the 4 daily flights with a B734

And I find 3 daily flights of BMI from East Midlands, that was 2 in summer 2009. Extra flight found from 12 April.

[tolipanebas]

It looks like SN will fly 4 times a day to VIE from April, and I only found 3 daily flights in the summer 2009 timetable of Brussels Airport. But I did'n checked a lot of dates, so is it correct that SN will fly 1 extra daily flight to VIE from comming summer? + I found on some days 2 of the 4 daily flights with a B734

What is even more interesting I think, is that this hints at the fact there is no codeshare going to be put in place with OS anytime soon

Wonder what is going on there: OS is a LH baby, just like SN, so I'd have expected this to be a fairly easy excercise really and what's more: such a codeshare was even explicitly announced by Mr Gustin (SN CEO) at the STAR alliance meeting in BRU! Seems not!

The missing OS codeshare as well as the totally crazy outright competition with SK on all Scandinavian routes out of BRU are 2 of the most stiking exemples of SN not taking full benefit from its STAR alliance membership yet. Let's hope they come soon.

[HighInTheSky]

It looks like SN will fly 4 times a day to VIE from April, and I only found 3 daily flights in the summer 2009 timetable of Brussels Airport. But I did'n checked a lot of dates, so is it correct that SN will fly 1 extra daily flight to VIE from comming summer? + I found on some days 2 of the 4 daily flights with a B734

What is even more interesting I think, is that this hints at the fact there is no codeshare going to be put in place with OS anytime soon

Or maybe SN will be the operating carrier on all flights BRU-VIE-BRU and OS will codeshare on the flights, without having 'own' flights anymore to BRU?

[RoMax]

It looks like SN will fly 4 times a day to VIE from April, and I only found 3 daily flights in the summer 2009 timetable of Brussels Airport. But I did'n checked a lot of dates, so is it correct that SN will fly 1 extra daily flight to VIE from comming summer? + I found on some days 2 of the 4 daily flights with a B734

What is even more interesting I think, is that this hints at the fact there is no codeshare going to be put in place with OS anytime soon

Or maybe SN will be the operating carrier on all flights BRU-VIE-BRU and OS will codeshare on the flights, without having 'own' flights anymore to BRU?

Actually OS has a slightly changed shedule uploaded compared to summer 2009, so I suppose they will not stop this route. Otherwise they would not change the shedule.
About the codeshare, I think it will come anyway, the SN and OS flights are not really at the same hours (altough for some flights only around 40 min between two flights). So they can codeshare anyway.

[tolipanebas]

Or maybe SN will be the operating carrier on all flights BRU-VIE-BRU and OS will codeshare on the flights, without having 'own' flights anymore to BRU?

Theoretically, that coluld be the case, but OS's new timetable shows 5 flights this summer, all on different times than the SN flights, although their timetable closely resembles that of SN, with the exception of also having a lunchtime flight, which is painfully absent in SN's timetable.

About the codeshare, I think it will come anyway, the SN and OS flights are not really at the same hours (altough for some flights only around 40 min between two flights). So they can codeshare anyway.

Let's be real here for a minute: there's no real use in such a codeshare, when partners offering a total of 9 flights a day, of which 8 are scheduled in pairs with never more than 40 minutes difference! It's fairly useless.

What would be great is an INTEGRATED timetable, like for instance on LIS with TAP, with a total of let's say 6 or even 7 flights a day or so, each with around 2.5 hours in between.

It seems from the timetables published that this is not going to happen anytime soon with OS, although things could still change... I certainly hope so!

[sdbelgium]

Cyprus Airways will fly 5 weekly flights between LCA and BRU in the new Summer Season (iso 2 weekly now). This is according to Cyprus newspaper Stockwatch.

[RoMax]

About the codeshare, I think it will come anyway, the SN and OS flights are not really at the same hours (altough for some flights only around 40 min between two flights). So they can codeshare anyway.

Let's be real here for a minute: there's no real use in such a codeshare, when partners offering a total of 9 flights a day, of which 8 are scheduled in pairs with never more than 40 minutes difference! It's fairly useless.

What would be great is an INTEGRATED timetable, like for instance on LIS with TAP, with a total of let's say 6 or even 7 flights a day or so, each with around 2.5 hours in between.

It seems from the timetables published that this is not going to happen anytime soon with OS, although things could still change... I certainly hope so!

Actually only the morning flights of both SN and OS (departure from BRU) has 35 min between it, all the other flights of SN and OS has 40 min or more between the departures (out of BRU). Ok it can be donne better, but I don't think you can compare LIS with VIE. VIE and BRU are two Star and LH hubs, If they want to work together the amount of pax will rise on both SN's and OS flights (btw: SkyEurope's daily flight is gonne also). And in the morning (out of BRU) when you have only 35 min between the departures (SN 07:00 even a B734, OS 07:35) they can handle that amount of seats with the connection passengers.

Ok I understand that this shedule is not really perfect for codesharing, but it is certainly possible.

[tolipanebas]

Actually only the morning flights of both SN and OS (departure from BRU) has 35 min between it, all the other flights of SN and OS has 40 min or more between the departures (out of BRU).
Ok I understand that this shedule is not really perfect for codesharing, but it is certainly possible.

It's possible indeed, but there would be no real advantage from such a schedule, with 4 times a day 2 flights with less than an hour of difference, and than 2 huge gaps of several hours throughout the day without a single day... better to spread them throughout the day, don't you agree?

Also, in case of a codeshare, it would make sense for both partners to cancel the nightstop service and let the other one do the early morning flight back to base. Neither OS nor SN seem to do this.

It would be interesting to know why SN and OS, don't seem to want to integrate their timetables asap?

[RoMax]

Actually only the morning flights of both SN and OS (departure from BRU) has 35 min between it, all the other flights of SN and OS has 40 min or more between the departures (out of BRU).
Ok I understand that this shedule is not really perfect for codesharing, but it is certainly possible.

It's possible indeed, but there would be no real advantage from such a schedule, with 4 times a day 2 flights with less than an hour of difference, and than 2 huge gaps of several hours throughout the day without a single day... better to spread them throughout the day, don't you agree?

Also, in case of a codeshare, it would make sense for both partners to cancel the nightstop service and let the other one do the early morning flight back to base. Neither OS nor SN seem to do this.

It would be interesting to know why SN and OS, don't seem to want to integrate their timetables asap?

I agree with you. Certainly about the nightstop flights. But I just think that it is to soon to say that the OS codeshare will not come only on the hand of the shedule.

[tolipanebas]

I agree with you. Certainly about the nightstop flights. But I just think that it is to soon to say that the OS codeshare will not come only on the hand of the shedule.

Oh, I am still hopeful for a codeshare, but it seems it will not come as soon as I (and SN, if one is to go by the comments of SN's CEO back in December) had hoped. I wonder what's holding them back?

[euroflyer]

the totally crazy outright competition with SK on all Scandinavian routes out of BRU

Hm, be careful here, SK is *Alliance, ok, but is another company and no part of the LH group. LH seems to go into competition with SK more and more (LH Italia for example is opening flights from MXP to Scandinavia, SK must hate this!). SK on the other way offers far cheaper fares on FRA-ARN and FRA-CPH flights operated by themselves than LH does on any flight (even if all flights are code shared) - just 5 years ago this was different, the price was the same regardless where you bought your ticket. I guess they both do not know what the future might bring (SK is a takeover candidate and might therefore be forced to switch alliance for example ...)

[tolipanebas]

SK is *Alliance, ok, but is another company and no part of the LH group. LH seems to go into competition with SK more and more (LH Italia for example is opening flights from MXP to Scandinavia, SK must hate this!). SK on the other way offers far cheaper fares on FRA-ARN and FRA-CPH flights operated by themselves than LH does on any flight (even if all flights are code shared) - just 5 years ago this was different, the price was the same regardless where you bought your ticket. I guess they both do not know what the future might bring (SK is a takeover candidate and might therefore be forced to switch alliance for example ...)

Indeed, I've noticed they are not as close as they used to be when they founded STAR alliance.

It could have more to do with LH's expansion though, since LH has become so big and has taken equity stakes in so many different airlines in Europe, that in fact they no longer truely need any STAR alliance partners like they used to before, at least not in Europe as they know have a whole bunch of OWNED airlines gathered around them.

[Conti764]

SK is *Alliance, ok, but is another company and no part of the LH group. LH seems to go into competition with SK more and more (LH Italia for example is opening flights from MXP to Scandinavia, SK must hate this!). SK on the other way offers far cheaper fares on FRA-ARN and FRA-CPH flights operated by themselves than LH does on any flight (even if all flights are code shared) - just 5 years ago this was different, the price was the same regardless where you bought your ticket. I guess they both do not know what the future might bring (SK is a takeover candidate and might therefore be forced to switch alliance for example ...)

Indeed, I've noticed they are not as close as they used to be when they founded STAR alliance.

It could have more to do with LH's expansion though, since LH has become so big and has taken equity stakes in so many different airlines in Europe, that in fact they no longer truely need any STAR alliance partners like they used to before, at least not in Europe as they know have a whole bunch of OWNED airlines gathered around them.

It looks like we'll get a very polarised European air market in the future, at least for the full service carriers. You'd have the AirFrance/KLM-group (Skyteam) at one side and the Lufthansa Group (Star Alliance) at the other, then there are still some companies left, but since IB and BA are getting closer to each other, it looks like we might get a third airline group as well.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the entire full service market in Europe divided into those three groups and have the low cost market next to them.

[RoMax]

The small LH routes between BRU and Germany (Stuttgart, Nuremberg and Hannover) seems to get CRJ-200's starting from this summer. Now they are still operated by ATR-42's. In amadeus the flights are mentionned as Eurowings operated. Eurowings has 18 CRJ-200's, but they will leave the Eurowings fleet during this year. So will these 3 routes be operated by Eurowings CRJ-200's until they left the fleet? Or will the flights been taken over by another LH group airline with CRJ-200's (Regional or Cityline)when Eurowings has not enough CRJ-200's anymore to operate the routes? Or will Eurowings have enough CRJ-200's until the end of this summer season to maintain these routes with that aircraft? (the flights are until the end of October loaded as CRJ-200 operated by Eurowings)

[RoMax]

Hainan made the Shangai flight official, the news articles are comming in. An exemple below:


Airline now offers daily direct flights from Brussels to China

Hainan Airlines will operate daily direct flights from Belgium to China beginning May 28.

The airline already flies four times a week from Brussels Airport to Beijing. In May, it will start operating direct flights three times a week between Brussels Airport and Shanghai Pudong International Airport.

In response to high market demand, the flights to Shanghai replace an earlier plan to add extra Beijing flights, Hainan said.

All flights will be operated with Airbus 330 aircraft.

“Belgium has strong ties with the city of Shanghai and the surrounding region. This new direct flight will facilitate new business between our countries, and will be very welcome to business people at both ends,” said Liang Pubin, general manager for Hainan in Europe.

Brussels Airport is one of the largest airports in Europe, handling well over 17 million passengers and 450,000 tons of freight annually.

I've chosen this one because of the last sentence: "BRU is one on the largest airports in Europe" If you look at the passengers numbers of BRU for 2009, BRU is number 24 in Europe. So I think this is a bit exaggerated.

Hainan said that the 2010 World Expo in Shangai is a perfect moment to launch this route, but it's certenly not the only reason.

[sn26567]

And here is the official press release of Brussels Airport:

Hainan Airlines: direct flight Brussels-Shanghai


As from May 28, 2010, the Chinese airline Hainan Airlines will start operating direct flights between Brussels Airport and Shanghai Pudong International Airport.

These direct flights will be operated three times weekly, on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.

These flights complement the existing four weekly flights to Beijing operated on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays, hence offering a daily flight from Belgium to China.

Hainan Airlines earlier announced to add extra Beijing flights from Brussels, making Beijing a daily destination as from this summer. Now instead, in response to high market demand Hainan Airlines adds Shanghai as a new destination.

All flights will be operated with Airbus 330 aircraft, offering 36 180° flat bed seats in business class and 186 seats in economy. All 222 seats are equipped with a state-of-the-art inflight entertainment system with personal touch screens.

This is an excellent moment to introduce direct flights to Shanghai, comments Liang Pubin, General Manager for Hainan in Europe: "The Shanghai 2010 Expo is expected to generate the largest number of visitors in the history of the World Expo's. For many this will be an excellent reason to discover this charming destination. Belgium has strong ties with the city of Shanghai and the surrounding region. This new direct flight will facilitate new business between our countries, and will be very welcome to business people at both ends".

Brussels Airport Company press release - 16/02/2010

[Boeing767copilot]

- Danube Wings has halted its 4 weekly ATR72 flights to Bratislava in February.

- Thomas Cook Airlines inaugurates 2 weekly flights to Oujda, Morocco with A320

- Air Algerie expands its Brussels operation from 28 March with a 3rd weekly flight from Algiers. Air Algerie also operates a weekly seasonal summer flight to Oran.

[AVION1]

Brussels Airport - In summer 2010 the Brussels Airport long haul network will be larger than it ever was in the past. The previous most successful season was the summer of 2000 with 155 weekly long haul flights, supported by the large long haul fleet of Sabena.

In 2010 Brussels Airport hosts a record number of 166 weekly long haul departures,

A comparison by continent shows that

- North America is still slightly behind (88, versus 93 in 2000),

- Asia is significantly larger (34, versus 11 in 2000),

- Sub-Sahara Africa is almost equal (35, versus 36 in 2000), - long haul leisure flights are still less developed (9, versus 15 in 2000).

Several new medium-haul destinations have been announced for the summer as well: Icelandair to Reykjavik, Middle East Airlines to Beirut