Jet Airways out of Brussels

[OO-ITR]

Rumours go that Jet Airways took the decision to swap Brussels for Amsterdam next year...

À Long Time rumour ...

The long time rumours were that they WANTED (or were imposed by their major shareholder) to leave BRU.

The rumour that im talking about now is that the decision has been made to leave BRU. Apparantly one of the companies whom they work with in BRU, has been notified of their departure.

[nordikcam]

The rumour that im talking about now is that the decision has been made to leave BRU. Apparantly one of the companies whom they work with in BRU, has been notified of their departure.

Completely ? Or will they keep one flight...DEL BRU or BOM BRU ?
Thx.

[brusselsairlinesfan]

Rumours go that Jet Airways took the decision to swap Brussels for Amsterdam next year...

À Long Time rumour ...

The long time rumours were that they WANTED (or were imposed by their major shareholder) to leave BRU.

The rumour that im talking about now is that the decision has been made to leave BRU. Apparantly one of the companies whom they work with in BRU, has been notified of their departure.

Ah Ok Thanks ... So this is a hot new info ! Maybe There is a link with SN future anouncement...?!

[Passenger]

Although there seems to be almost unanimity here that Jet Airways will switch Brussels to Amsterdam, I don't think so.

1. they will face severe competition in AMS for the route with the highiest yield = the simple flight from Europe to India. KLM flies daily to India, sometimes even with a 747-400. India-US travel with a stopover in Europe is good for the numbers, but bad for the yield/revenu.

2. Belgium has a Business Class clientele that the Netherlands don't have: the diamant branch in Antwerp. Those Indian business men are not migrant workers: they live here with their families and visit their native country often. I'm not familiar with the Indian community in the Netherlands, but I wonder if they spend the same on tickets as the Belgian Indian community does.

3. Jet Airways has a codeshare agreement with the leading carrier in Belgium, thus avoiding competition from that carrier.

4. Brussels Airport treats them as one of the major airlines. In Amsterdam, they will be just one of the many carriers.

[OO-ITR]

Let's hope that, IF Jet Airways should leave BRU, SN will wake up on time to take over some of the routes...

[b720]

They must start a rotation to BOM and an evening one to JFK flight.. If Jet leaves BRU .. The eve JFK is overdue but with the withdrawal of Jet from the market it must be viable..

[convair]

Although there seems to be almost unanimity here that Jet Airways will switch Brussels to Amsterdam, I don't think so.

1. they will face severe competition in AMS for the route with the highiest yield = the simple flight from Europe to India. KLM flies daily to India, sometimes even with a 747-400. India-US travel with a stopover in Europe is good for the numbers, but bad for the yield/revenu.

2. Belgium has a Business Class clientele that the Netherlands don't have: the diamant branch in Antwerp. Those Indian business men are not migrant workers: they live here with their families and visit their native country often. I'm not familiar with the Indian community in the Netherlands, but I wonder if they spend the same on tickets as the Belgian Indian community does.

3. Jet Airways has a codeshare agreement with the leading carrier in Belgium, thus avoiding competition from that carrier.

4. Brussels Airport treats them as one of the major airlines. In Amsterdam, they will be just one of the many carriers.

Very good arguments indeed, but Etihad may have decided the move for reasons of their own.

Let's hope that, IF Jet Airways should leave BRU, SN will wake up on time to take over some of the routes...

It would be interesting to know the number of O/D pax on their flghts; I think a lot of Indian pax only transit at BRU and continue their trip on 9W.

[OO-ITR]

Let's hope that, IF Jet Airways should leave BRU, SN will wake up on time to take over some of the routes...

It would be interesting to know the number of O/D pax on their flghts; I think a lot of Indian pax only transit at BRU and continue their trip on 9W.

Exactly, although I think someone posted figures about their pax profile. If I remember well 50% of their pax are transit pax, 25% are connecting to another European destination and 25% have Belgium as final destination.
Not sure how many pax 9W are bringing to BRU annually.

[DannyVDB]

Hi OO-ITR,

When I visited Jet Airways a few years ago that was indeed more or less the sub-division (25/25/50). Don't know if that still applies.

What we do know about the annual figures:

In 2014 we had following pax on the routes:
- Delhi - 138.309
- Toronto - 155.041
- Mumbai - 162.384
Newark, don't know since BRU only publishes PAX figures for New-York (JFK and Newark together) which was in 2014: 593.015. So assuming an equal share for the 4 flights (which will not be the case) we can assume at least 150.000 pax to Newark.

So total would be around 610.000 pax per year.

In 2014 there were 185.599 pax in transit (almost all Jet Airways pax, a little bit e.g. MEA). But part of the 50% going from India to the USA/Canada (and vice versa) are not transit but transfer pax (changing planes), if I am not wrong ...

Regards,
Danny

[brusselsairlinesfan]

IF this information is true about Jet Airways shifting ops from BRU to AMS, I think this topic will become really HOT within the next months! I am also very curious about brussels airlines reaction in that case...

[Conti764]

Hi OO-ITR,

When I visited Jet Airways a few years ago that was indeed more or less the sub-division (25/25/50). Don't know if that still applies.

What we do know about the annual figures:

In 2014 we had following pax on the routes:
- Delhi - 138.309
- Toronto - 155.041
- Mumbai - 162.384
Newark, don't know since BRU only publishes PAX figures for New-York (JFK and Newark together) which was in 2014: 593.015. So assuming an equal share for the 4 flights (which will not be the case) we can assume at least 150.000 pax to Newark.

So total would be around 610.000 pax per year.

In 2014 there were 185.599 pax in transit (almost all Jet Airways pax, a little bit e.g. MEA). But part of the 50% going from India to the USA/Canada (and vice versa) are not transit but transfer pax (changing planes), if I am not wrong ...

Regards,
Danny

So, if I'm correct, DEL had about 378 pax/day (189 each flight) and BOM 443 (221 each flight)... These are averages of course, but with these figures I doubt SN will take the risk, esp. given the profile of these pax and their assumed loyalty to 9W...

On the NYC flights however, I guess it's a given thatbeither sN or UA will add an extra flight...

[convair]

Hi OO-ITR,

When I visited Jet Airways a few years ago that was indeed more or less the sub-division (25/25/50). Don't know if that still applies.

What we do know about the annual figures:

In 2014 we had following pax on the routes:
- Delhi - 138.309
- Toronto - 155.041
- Mumbai - 162.384
Newark, don't know since BRU only publishes PAX figures for New-York (JFK and Newark together) which was in 2014: 593.015. So assuming an equal share for the 4 flights (which will not be the case) we can assume at least 150.000 pax to Newark.

So total would be around 610.000 pax per year.

In 2014 there were 185.599 pax in transit (almost all Jet Airways pax, a little bit e.g. MEA). But part of the 50% going from India to the USA/Canada (and vice versa) are not transit but transfer pax (changing planes), if I am not wrong ...

It's difficult to know how the transit pax are accounted for since:

a-some of them continue their journey with the same flight number on the same aircraft;
b-same as a above but the aircraft changes;
c-some of them switch to "the other" destination and "the other" flight number with one of the other 3 aircraft;
d-same as c above but they happen to reboard the same aircraft that brought them to BRU.

I would expect they are all counted as transit; if not, which ones are transit and which ones are connecting?

[Inquirer]

With the 3 Arabian carriers present at BRU, I doubt b.air would consider starting their own flights to India.
An additional flight to the New York area is probably the only realistic replacement BRU can hope for in case Jet Airways quits our national airport, and even then I doubt b.air would be operating it themselves: a 757 would be ideally sized for such an add on (evening?) flight and EWR much better suited than JFK, so United would be my logical operator for it: given both airlines are part of a transatlantic JV, it doesn't really matter who flies it anyway, other than to enthusiasts of course.

[Airbus A330]

Air Canada should start a daily YYZ - BRU route (probably by 787) when 9W leaves.

[brusselsairlinesfan]

Air Canada should start a daily YYZ - BRU route (probably by 787) when 9W leaves.

And SN should take oser the BRU - YUL route!

[travellover]

I have some opened questions. I know I'm not an expert. Simply a civil aviation enthusiast for years, reading and sometimes sharing your enlightments or points of views !

Is BRU in particular and Belgium as a matter of fact going to give up India, "IF" 9W leaves next year ?
Are there plans from BRU, lobbyings to keep this market ?
Isn't NH proving that Japan is a value added for BRU against all odds ? It would be a hole on the new asian map of BRU if India disappeared. Whatever 9W, AI or even SN (if LH wants).

Could BRU :
1. Lose any flight to India : BOM and DEL. Without any replacement. Needing a transfert via FRA, ZHR, etc. Or AUH with EY ? A loss for BRU.
2. Could the maintain of a frequency - 4/5 times a week or daily - be profitable - and for which airline ? -without the 9W NA extension hub, but with the SN and * transfer network ?
2. Could 9W maintain BOM and/or DEL but with lower frequencies. around 4/5 times a week each destination ?
3. Could AI fill the BOM and/or DEL gap with a 788 as a * member ? Probably in code-sharing with SN.
4. Could SN compete proposing at least one of both destinations in their network : BOM. Maybe 4/5 times a week if not daily.

[LJ]

1. they will face severe competition in AMS for the route with the highiest yield = the simple flight from Europe to India. KLM flies daily to India, sometimes even with a 747-400. India-US travel with a stopover in Europe is good for the numbers, but bad for the yield/revenu.

However, KL may stop flyng to DEL and leave it to 9W. The whole idea is probably that 9W would fly between AMS and India and KL/DL the transatlantic part. This will reduce costs for both 9W and DL/KL.

2. Belgium has a Business Class clientele that the Netherlands don't have: the diamant branch in Antwerp. Those Indian business men are not migrant workers: they live here with their families and visit their native country often. I'm not familiar with the Indian community in the Netherlands, but I wonder if they spend the same on tickets as the Belgian Indian community does.

Yet there are more possibities to connect via AMS and though AMS is further than BRU from Antwerp, it's not that much. Finally, there are also some large Indian companies in The Netherlands thus it's doubtfull if yield will be lower ex AMS (though there is more ME3 competition).

3. Jet Airways has a codeshare agreement with the leading carrier in Belgium, thus avoiding competition from that carrier.

They can condeshare with KL. SN doesn't compete and will not compete with 9W directly. It's doubtfull that SN will start a flight to India as I doubt LH wants this.

4. Brussels Airport treats them as one of the major airlines. In Amsterdam, they will be just one of the many carriers.

With 3 or more daily long haul flights you'll get attention at AMS.

However, this is for the category seeing is believing. 9W mentioned a few weeks ago that nothing is going on and Etihad has mentioned recently that it doesn't speed up its possible alliance with AF/KL.

[KriVa]

Welcome to luchtzak, no-nonsense!
While that is a (very) interesting claim, it would be useful, though not mandatory, if you could provide a source for it.

[lumumba]

But they made a public statement saying that they will work together with KLM an Delta true Amsterdam for flights to the US!

[Atlantis]

A while ago I wrote already that Jet Airways will not leave the BRU tarmac that soon and today it is confirmed.

There are many reasons why the top of Jet Airways decided to stay at Brussels Airport. Jet Airways even confirmed that they will offer their seats till after Winter season 2016-2017!!!!

Jet Airways will stay at Brussels Airport with their 4 daily flights.

Schiphol is not that convenient for them. It's almost impossible to received morning flights at Schiphol especially when they want to establish a hub like at BRU. So impossible for them at Schiphol.

The load factor and the yield is very strong between India and Belgium, especially the last couple of months.

Naresh Goyal, founder of Jet Airways, was always a very strong believer of BRU. He even wanted to create cargo flights at the beginning between the two countries. But soon after the first pax flights he builded a great lounch at Brussels Airport. Naresh Goyal is not in favor of Schiphol!! Naresh Goyal is also very pleased about the facilities at BRU and the excellent trans-atlantic connections.