Bush to Brussels on 21-22 Feb: Disruptions at the airport?

Fabke · Post by **Fabke** » 13 Feb 2005, 14:06

Please continue talking/discussing about how to kill Bush or how to shoot down AF1 , maybe someone from BIAC will read this and will prevent everyone to make a good photo of AF1

, come on people , this forum can be read/seen by eveybody so also people who have bad intentions can read this , stop , please stop this and hope nothing will happens and we all can take great photos during daylight

Post by **Bruspotter** » 16 Feb 2005, 21:03

Hello

'Fabke' ...well...you do have a point.

I see a lot of discussing about points where i'm worrying myself about too.
Like...runway,police,time....

But my guess....i repeat a GUESS....(only a guess , not more , not less) is that he'll arrive not earlier than 16:00h so between 16:00-18:00h i guess , and ellsworth around 20:00h i think. But i hope he's early. I wouldn't even mind that he would be one day too early , since i will be spotting Saturday too...ofcourse i hope it not for the other spotters...(but i wouldn't mind).

And about security....well if the wind continues doing like this (Norhtern/Eastern-winds) it will be RWY 02 , unless USAF1 takes the risk to try to land at RWY25R. And around RWY02 you can difficultly put police control...it's in the open fields...it's at the railway and that's a public place...by the way ,, they aren't allowed to hunt you further away than the railroad-track so....no problem if he lands at RWY02, wich i really hope.

Now just waiting and hope that it stays dry.

Best regards: Yannick

TCAS_climb · Post by **TCAS_climb** » 17 Feb 2005, 08:40

Come on, don't be so naive...

Aircraft have been shot down before. Remember the DHL A300 ? The Arkia B757 in Nairobi ? Or the Falcon 50 of President Habyarimana shot down in Rwanda 10 years ago ? Do you really think those lunatics got the idea on the internet ?

About two years ago I found myself and a few friends close to the runways of BRU (landings on RWY 02). There was an EU summit in Brussels that day so we saw many state aircraft carrying Aznar, Chirac and Blair. For us it was totally unexpected, we really didn't know what we would see, but we were never worried by security. We saw a few police cars on the other side of the fence, they saw us, but that was it. Noone came to ask us what we were doing there. We didn't carry cameras, I guess that helps.

I guess it will be a totally different story for Bush, but why don't you get in touch with BIAC and ask them what you can do and what you can't do that day ? Friendly spotters are also good allies for security staff. It's always good to have extra pairs of eyes watching the field.

Post by **Bruspotter** » 17 Feb 2005, 16:47

Hello

TCAS_climb

As you said in your reply i already sended an e-mail to BIAC Monday and received my answer at Thuesday. As i had already expected they weren't able to give ANY information...(kind a logical) ....for the rest i asked what were the spotting abilities that day...well they just told us to follow safety instructions and especially not to try to do those things that aren't aloud.

So i don't know much more about it now...i sure know one thing...they can't keep us away miles from the airport , there are thousands of possible places where you can spot him...so the security will NEVER be a problem for me...ONLY TIME best fellow spotters TIME...it's always a matter of TIME that causes the troubles...as i mostly arrive by train and have to watch time to have a train back homeworhts (there are not a lot of trains...believe me....), so i think i know what i'm talking about.

And as proposed before in the other topic about 'Airforce One' ...21:00GMT time ARRIVAL , that makes it is 20:00h here , that's WAY TOO LATE TO SPOT HIM , OR TO PHOTOGRAPH HIM...so if it's going to be like that...forget it...put it out of your mind than...that's my big worry.

I'm just afraid for that...waiting desperately; Yannick

Post by **Bottie** » 17 Feb 2005, 18:26

fftopic:

@ Yannick: A really appreciate your enthusiasm, I sure do but.... Please, please use the spellcheck :frantic: and i must be I (capital I) ...

Post by **Apuneger** » 17 Feb 2005, 18:41

Just to add that 21h00 GMT is 22h00 LT at BRU, not 20h00.

If that's the case, just try to see it with your eyes, a photo won't work.

Greetings,
Ivan

EBAW_flyer · Post by **EBAW_flyer** » 18 Feb 2005, 09:29

To take away all confusion; Bush will NOT arrive BEFORE 20h local time sunday and depart NOT LATER than 10h local time 23/02. How I know that? Because for the unbelievably stupid American security the whole Belgian airspace will be restructured, there"s been a NOTAM (notice to airmen) about it, here it is. BTW, I have never seen this before and I think it is so ridiculous.

From : 20/02/2005 19:00 Until : 23/02/2005 09:00
Text : THE AREA WITH A RADIUS OF 30NM CENTERED OVER THE ARP OF EBBR FROM GROUND TILL FL195 AND WITHIN THE BRUSSELS FIR WILL BE AIRSPACE CLASS C ALL ACTF ENTERING OR EXITING THIS AREA MUST BE ON AN ACTIVE IFR OR VFR FPL WITH TRANSPONDER CODE. ALL ACTF ENTERING OR EXITING THIS ARE MUST REMAIN AT ALL TIMES IN TWO-WAY RADIO COMMUNICATION WITH ATC. THE FOLLOWING FLIGHTS ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THIS 30 NM RADIUS. 1.AEROBATIC FLT 2.GLIDER FLT 3.PARADROP,MIL DROPPINGS EXCLUDED 4.ULM FLT 5.MANNED FREE BALLOON FLT
Lower limit : GND Upper limit : FL195

Post by **Bruspotter** » 18 Feb 2005, 15:58

Hello

Bottie

@ Yannick: A really appreciate your enthusiasm, I sure do but.... Please, please use the spellcheck and i must be I (capital I) ...

I'm sorry , the 'i'

that must be a 'I'-part I always forget...i mean i do use the spellcheck but every time he says that the 'i' is wrong i'm questioning why? And than I press 'ignore' so thanks for reminding me to that , so i can press 'correct' in 'I' this time.

I want be there for 99,99% sure when AF1 arrives because it will be dark so. Fun spotting him maybe.

Best regards: Yannick

Charlie_Fox · Post by **Charlie_Fox** » 20 Feb 2005, 11:08

Air Force one is scheduled to arrive Brussels 21:00 local on Sunday and depart 08:50 on Wednesday.

rwy25r · Post by **rwy25r** » 20 Feb 2005, 21:04

25L it was, touch down 2100CET
All other aircraft arriving in BRU were put in the holdings in the mean time

A26 · Post by **A26** » 20 Feb 2005, 21:11

rwy25r wrote:25L it was, touch down 2100CET

Yep, it was. With an escort of a chopper of the Belgian federal police. And right now there's a big fat Chinook (if my ears don't deceive me) patrolling the area.

meerkat · Post by **meerkat** » 20 Feb 2005, 21:45

Can anyone identify the aircraft which landed before Air Force One please?

Meerkat

Fabke · Post by **Fabke** » 20 Feb 2005, 21:48

A26 wrote:
rwy25r wrote:25L it was, touch down 2100CET
Yep, it was. With an escort of a chopper of the Belgian federal police. And right now there's a big fat Chinook (if my ears don't deceive me) patrolling the area.

A Chinook

A26 · Post by **A26** » 20 Feb 2005, 22:14

Fabke wrote:
A26 wrote:
rwy25r wrote:25L it was, touch down 2100CET
Yep, it was. With an escort of a chopper of the Belgian federal police. And right now there's a big fat Chinook (if my ears don't deceive me) patrolling the area.
A Chinook

Errr, sorry about that. I really (...insert 4 letter word...) at helicopters.

But, hey, the thing sounded like one.

Loadcontroller · Post by **Loadcontroller** » 20 Feb 2005, 22:55

meerkat wrote:Can anyone identify the aircraft which landed before Air Force One please?

Meerkat

I am not sure, but I thougt it was a Triple 7...

It was standing at "het Zuid"... another third aircraft was also arriving but I tried to get closer but the security did not allow any access

Post by **Kapitein** » 20 Feb 2005, 22:57

VC-32: 99-0004 as backup plane

Glider · Post by **Glider** » 20 Feb 2005, 23:03

Jup, I was there too. VC32 99-0004 and VC25 82-8000 arrived right on time. What an awesome plane!

We had a nice view at 25L of what was going on. 3 helicopters were on surveillance, 2 above the airport, 1 at the runway waiting for AF1 to come in.

Only 2 thing could have been better: the weather (frrreezing :-s) and full batteries (so that I could have made a trial shot). Well, I'll try tomorrow from the sand hill.

Post by **sn26567** » 21 Feb 2005, 10:37

Brubiac wrote:VC-32: 99-0004 as backup plane

The military version of the B757. Air Force 2 in this particular case.

Post by **Bruspotter** » 21 Feb 2005, 10:53

Hello

So if I understand it correctly there where this planes.

3-choppers
-the VC-32
2x VC-25????? (both AF1's???)
-777????

If that's true...WOW! But AF1 on it's own is already WOW!
The thing is, it wasn't daylight, but yet there are some nice pictures...it gives them a 'special effect'. But it might be more difficult to see it during landing, I can imagine myself that.

Best regards: Yannick