BRU can no longer use the 02

Post by **Kapitein** » 15 Dec 2004, 16:57

Flying_Dutchman wrote:Which runway is exactly the 02

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/589301/L/

None of the 3 runways are so close to a village.

The one who's crossing the other 2 (25L/R). Landing on the 02 is from top to the bottom of the picture

pascal-air · Post by **pascal-air** » 15 Dec 2004, 16:58

Flying_Dutchman wrote:Which runway is exactly the 02

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/589301/L/

None of the 3 runways are so close to a village.

This is the runway that cross the two others, from up to down in the image.

pascal-air · Post by **pascal-air** » 15 Dec 2004, 17:02

killerwhale65 wrote:why would it be more dangerous to live under 02 then under for example 25L?

I think that the problem is not there. Under the 25L landing path there is nobody (no construction). Otherwise under the 02 path there are Waterloo, Augerghem, Woluwe St Pierre, Kraainem, and Wezembeek.

So this is normal that if weather conditions allow it, it is better to land on 25L. Moreover, on foggy weather 25L and now 25R are CAT III ILS instead of CAT I for 02.

Flying_Dutchman · Post by **Flying_Dutchman** » 15 Dec 2004, 17:07

Thanks both

Now I can follow this discussion.

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 15 Dec 2004, 17:12

pascal-air wrote:Moreover, on foggy weather 25L and now 25R are CAT III ILS instead of CAT I for 02.

Whats the difference between all those CATs?

pascal-air · Post by **pascal-air** » 15 Dec 2004, 18:43

killerwhale65 wrote:
pascal-air wrote:Moreover, on foggy weather 25L and now 25R are CAT III ILS instead of CAT I for 02.
Whats the difference between all those CATs?

This is the precision of the ILS and it has immediatly an impact about the decisision height : decision height his the height allowed to go for landing and if you do not see the runway you must doç a go-around.

CAT I is the worse category. It does not allow the autoland feature, and the decision height is 1800 feet. CAT 3 allow to make a landing aven if you do nort see the runway. Check here for more info http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/ils.htm

pascal-air · Post by **pascal-air** » 15 Dec 2004, 18:45

[CAT I is the worse category. It does not allow the autoland feature, and the decision height is 1800 feet. CAT 3 allow to make a landing aven if you do nort see the runway. Check here for more info http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/ils.htm[/quote]

I made a mistake. 200 feet of course for cat I and 1800 RVR of course

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 15 Dec 2004, 18:46

ok thanks

waldova · Post by **waldova** » 15 Dec 2004, 18:50

Even 7R is the closest to a village. Better shut down that one while we are shutting down runways.

EBAW_flyer · Post by **EBAW_flyer** » 15 Dec 2004, 18:54

Those are probably FAA regulations (visibility here is not measured in feet), the JAR (European Regulations) are such;

CAT I: >200ft DH and >550m RVR
CAT II: 200-100ft DH and 550-300m RVR
CAT IIIA: 100-50ft DH and 300-200m RVR
CAT IIIB: 50ft-no DH and 200-75m RVR
CATIIIC: no DH and no RVR

Even 7R is the closest to a village. Better shut down that one while we are shutting down runways.

Because they are not currently overflying that area as RWY07R is currently not used for approaches.

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 20 Dec 2004, 17:46

runway 02 was in use yesterday due to winds 9kts from 050 (northeast).

MD-11 · Post by **MD-11** » 20 Dec 2004, 19:10

Flying_Dutchman wrote:Which runway is exactly the 02

It's the RWY that lies in a straight line from the top to the bottom of the picture. Looking from the top it's 02; looking from the bottom it's 20
Oops

sorry, there was already an answer it seems.

jal · Post by **jal** » 21 Dec 2004, 02:13

Nobody around Leipzig seems to be complaining.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/564748/L/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/401318/L/

And the people around LAX ...are they complaining ?
Especially seeing the traffic volume here ... probably supperior to BRU ?

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/716901/L/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/736803/L/

Post by **luchtzak** » 17 Mar 2005, 12:06

There has been a court-ruling this morning, this is -in Dutch- what the judge has decided: http://www.demorgen.be/telex/?news=B225165

In English: this morning the judge confirmed the ruling of the first judge (15th September 2004). It's a court-ruling that condemns using runway 02 too much. Bad news for Bert Anciaux' dispersion plan.

OO-JFP · Post by **OO-JFP** » 17 Mar 2005, 12:52

It's just waiting till we have our first landing accident due to "sudden severe crosswinds" I guess. Amazing country we live in...
I wonder where the judge lives.

OO-JFP

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 17 Mar 2005, 12:59

no, in weather conditions that justify using 02/20, it can still be used. But not anymore because of dispertion plan rules (read: 1 out of 2 saturdays). So in other words: we just head back to the situation of before the dispertion plan, which can only be called good news.

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 17 Mar 2005, 13:00

OO-JFP, this judge probably also lives in Kraainem

Post by **luchtzak** » 17 Mar 2005, 13:04

OO-JFP wrote:It's just waiting till we have our first landing accident due to "sudden severe crosswinds" I guess. Amazing country we live in...
I wonder where the judge lives.

OO-JFP,

it's a judge ruling that disallows using 02 on moments where 25L/25R should be used. With heavy northerly winds 02/07R will be used!

Edit: thanks killerwhale65, you where 5 minutes earlier to reply

Post by **sn26567** » 17 Mar 2005, 13:12

See articles in English: https://www.aviation24.be/article8053.html and https://www.aviation24.be/article8051.html

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 02 May 2005, 11:31

AWACSS, one of the committees in the "Oostrand", today announces that they will ask for 750.000 euro indemnity because r/way 02 has been used last Saturday.

Weather was good, but BIAC allowed 30 landings on 02, says Peggy C., the lady who wants the money.

(Unconfirmed rumours from a not reliable source say that she want to buy a SQ First Class round trip with her part of the money.)

Why was 02 in use last Saturday ?

(30 flights at 25.000 euro for each flight, as the court order states)