New Boeings for Jetairfly-fleet 2009

[Outsync]

The JAP will have the same config as the TUC.

[cathay belgium]

Dear funki,

Ever flew with TUC? (2-3-2)
Probably not !

I had the luck to fly 6 times TUC and 2 times EI-DMJ in (same) configuration and I think for an 8-11h flight
this configuration is 'positive' not super but just positive.
One person extra is too much.. I'm afraid !
This is not spoiled... just human on long haul.
This is my humble and realistic opinion.

But hey, belgian pax aren't complaining about this but I will see what they'll do with the 2-4-2!
Of course I already thought that JAF would change this configuration because they have ( for I hope)
some brains. ( You wouldn't thought of that buying TUC in Brasil but that deal was signed on a monday
morning !)

Now we're just glad we can fly long-haul with our own 'Belgian' carrier.

For the maniacs;
Altough I know JAF is just a TUI (German) product of this globalised world without
flag carriers like used to be (and not profitable like sobelair).
But I can read my Belgian Flemish paper during flight so I call it Belgian and if you look good,
there is a belgian flag , an OO-registration and the word brussels on the jet so it's Belgian
enough for me.

greetings CX-B

[summersso]

There are plenty of nearly-new, former SkyEurope 737-700 NG's available at the moment! Maybe even Brussels Airlines should consider taking them - already fitted with nice blue leather seats!

[Stij]

According to wikipedia OO-TUC has 264 seats in total, think they will make OO-JAP quite the same specially for the "spoiled, always complaining" belgian pax, because most chartercompanies in Europe have more seats on a 767 and less pax complaining about that.

I'm so sorry for being such a spoiled always complaining critical consumer. In the future I'll behave like a nice quiet foreign consumer and thank the airliners for "willing" to transport me to my destination no matter how crammed the seat is!

Dude, being a 185cm (not my fault) little overweight (OK, my fault) passenger 30 inch is not a lot for long haul flights but a 2+4+2 seating arrangement in a 767 on long haul would really kill me as it limits my ability to put my legs a (little) bit diagonally.

Now, probably I'll only complain about it on this forum and never in the real world as JAF doesn't fly (yet) to the long-haul destinations I have / would like to fly to.

Cheers,

Stij

P.S. To JAF guys, no hard feelings or whatever! I (really) like you short haul flights, especially with the ServicePlus option!!!

[Bralo20]

For the maniacs;
Altough I know JAF is just a TUI (German) product of this globalised world without
flag carriers like used to be (and not profitable like sobelair).
But I can read my Belgian Flemish paper during flight so I call it Belgian and if you look good,
there is a belgian flag , an OO-registration and the word brussels on the jet so it's Belgian
enough for me.

greetings CX-B

It's less German than you think. Although the Germans are represented in the board of Jetair, TUI Airlines Belgium NV (Jetairfly), TUI Belgium, the majority seems still to be in Belgian hands. All those companies are leaded by Mr. Brackx through his own small company.

[funki]

To Stij & Cathay:
I did fly with OO-TUC and I understand your point of view perfectly, really, espacially if you're tall. Maybe my remark was a bit sarcastic Sure I would like more space too, but then I probably need to book a scheduled, more expensive flight which is not a direct from BRU or business class.
But (according to the data on wikipedia) Thomsonfly (same TUI group) has 290 seats on B767-200 and 283 seats on their B767-300 (same a/c as OO-TUC) and they advertise (check youtube) in the UK about how spacious their a/c are...Coirsairfly (same TUI group) has the most seats on a B747...compared to that I think we're spoiled and...sometimes complaining...It could be worse, no?

[EBAW_flyer]

And they didn't have a profit near the one of JAF.

Since when is JAF making profit? Maybe their losses were bigger.

[Stij]

To Stij & Cathay:
I did fly with OO-TUC and I understand your point of view perfectly, really, espacially if your tall. Maybe my remark was a bit sarcastic Sure I would like more space too, but then I probably need to book a scheduled, more expensive flight which is not a direct from BRU or business class.
But (according to the data on wikipedia) Thomsonfly (same TUI group) has 290 seats on B767-200 and 283 seats on their B767-300 (same a/c as OO-TUC) and they advertise (check youtube) in the UK about how spacious their a/c are...Coirsairfly (same TUI group) has the most seats on a B747...compared to that I think we're spoiled and...sometimes complaining...It could be worse, no?

Hi Funki,

Actually, American carriers offer comparable prices to the Carabian. OK, you have to change in the US and you need Esta etc. but you travel more comfortable, can take way more luggage and get a lot of miles!

Could it be worse? Probably yes, but actually Thomsonfly offers you 33 Inch on long haul (I admit, in a 2+4+2 seating arrangement. And 283 setas in a 763 is 20 setas less then JAF's 303 in a 763.

Cheers mate,

Stij

[funki]

Could it be worse? Probably yes, but actually Thomsonfly offers you 33 Inch on long haul (I admit, in a 2+4+2 seating arrangement. And 283 setas in a 763 is 20 setas less then JAF's 303 in a 763.
Stij

JAF has 264 seats in 763
But I get your point, anyway (on topic) always looking forward to new belgian birds in the sky (for such a small country by the way) and let's hope maybe a higher seatpitch...I'm not opposed...at all

[brieky]

And they didn't have a profit near the one of JAF.

Since when is JAF making profit? Maybe their losses were bigger.

I'm sure JAF knows what they doiing.... Maybe 'best' Belgian Airline for the moment (not talking about comfort but income and route development )

CIAO

[JAF737]

I'm sure JAF knows what they doiing.... Maybe 'best' Belgian Airline for the moment (not talking about comfort but income and route development )

CIAO

Agree! They launched some routes to Morocco a couple of years ago. They started with the Fokker 100, now they send the B767 in summer time, full house. They launched Cabo Verde, it is up to now full house all the time.

The management surely knows how to handle this. They do a really great job.

[Conti764]

Agree! They launched some routes to Morocco a couple of years ago. They started with the Fokker 100, now they send the B767 in summer time, full house. They launched Cabo Verde, it is up to now full house all the time.

The management surely knows how to handle this. They do a really great job.

Not only the management. I always had a great experience with Jetairfly (and Jetair itself) so I prefer to book via Jetair and fly on Jetairfly.

[Stij]

Agree! They launched some routes to Morocco a couple of years ago. They started with the Fokker 100, now they send the B767 in summer time, full house. They launched Cabo Verde, it is up to now full house all the time.

The management surely knows how to handle this. They do a really great job.

Not only the management. I always had a great experience with Jetairfly (and Jetair itself) so I prefer to book via Jetair and fly on Jetairfly.

Oh don't get me wrong, as I wrote above, I love flying with them and I'm sure management knows well what they're doing. It's just that I (personally) don't like it when they make my saeting area smaller.

Anyhow, who am I? I talked to a JetAirCenter travel agent yesterday evening about it and he said almost nobody cared about space on a plane. As long as the bloody thing departs on time they're more then happy. They don't care about type of aircraft, company, seat, meal or entertainment. And no, I'm not being srcastic here, it's what he told me!

So, I drop my case. If most pax don't care, why not...

Cheers,

Stij

[LX-LGX]

And they didn't have a profit near the one of JAF.

Since when is JAF making profit? Maybe their losses were bigger.

Actually, Jetairfly is making profit: 3.084.794 euro in 2006, and 2.142.621 euro for the first 9 months of 2007 (EBITDA indeed). Own assetts up from 9.716.840 euro (on 31/12/2006) to 10.877.104 euro (on 30/09/2007). Turnover: 215.516.995 euro (in 2006), 193.928.336 euro (first nine months of 2007).

If you want their 2007/2008 result, post again your "maybe their losses were bigger" within a few months.

[Apuneger]

And they didn't have a profit near the one of JAF.

Since when is JAF making profit? Maybe their losses were bigger.

Hi,

What's your source? As indeed mentioned by LX-LGX and AFAIK, JAF actually has been making profit since 2004 according to the published annual accounts.

Greets,
Ivan

[Atlantis]

I'm 80% sure that Jetair is going to add a third frequentie to Boa and Sal. The two weekly flights are always full and with the additional aircraft they could offer this third flight (I know, two other older ones are going to leave the fleet). And this is revenue for them because a holiday overthere is not cheap: a week with a combination of 5 islands for 2200 euro PP.

[Atlantis]

The next B737-700 of Jetairfly is coming. It is now getting its new colors and is expected at Brussels Airport on 1 June 09. The first commercial flight is foreseen at 16 June 09.

Reg. OO-JAS

[NCB]

I know that ANA is trying to get rid of at least 10 high-time/high cycle A320's and as soon as B788 deliveries begin, many B767-300ER's. Knowing NH's paranoic maintenance procedures, those aircraft could be a nice addition at a little price. (Could be interesting for BAF A310 replacement as well).

Skymark is actually more a low-cost type airline than a charter airline. Their linked agency HIS Travel sells cheap airline tickets and cheap holiday packages. Drinks and foods are for sale on board.
Their in-house line/light maintenance practices are good and they have good dispatch statistics. The heavy maintenance is done by EGAT on the B763ER's and LH Technics is doing the CF-6's.

It's something slightly different than a patched-up garbage bin coming in from a bankrupt Brasilian airline with doubtful maintenance practices.

JAF can do well enough with 2 B763ER's this summer and they have plenty of time to find other B767's by next summer.

[funki]

No new long haul destinations in 09. Even Thomas Cook airlines reduced their number of long haul flights and is using Jetairfly on one certain route. Yes, they are competitors but are working together from time to time.

Costa Rica - Liberia as a new long haul destination from October 30 th 2009

and back on topic:
OO-JAS arrived in the beginning of this month (ex-Tuifly D-AHXK less then 1 year old)
after OO-JAR straight from the factory since March, both 737-700 NG's...now only waiting for another 767...does anyone knows when? still as foreseen?

[cathay belgium]

HI,

FUNKI, this is great news!

Costa Rica sounds good for me for next holiday trip 2010 !!
But what is JAF going to do in Liberia?????
( Maybe Thailand-Sri Lanka ( now the TTigers are gone)-Kenia-Gambia would be better
choices! )
Wasn' t there a civil war going on?
I sure know a refugee of Liberia/Monrovia and as I know it was over but so soon???
He visited last year his country again ( searching for his dead parents) and as I hear
his stories, there no much tourism to go?? maybe IvoryCoast??

Or are it sheduled services.. attacking Sn routes? Good Luck !!
Liberia with 737 ?? combined with Sal/Boa Vista?

Costa Rica combined with other caribbeans ?

Great news !!
Also very curios of the next 767 delivery?

Any chance of special liveries for JAF ??

greetings,
CX-B