The planes were used in other bases to perform maintenance on the planes based there. They went to GRO, HHN and STN. And do you think it's so easy to just juggle planes around ?
It's not like: "Oh the loonetics in CRL have decided to stop the strike, Let's fly all the planes that we pulled out a couple of hours ago back. Never mind the ferrying costs we just did."
1 more time this and FR will be gone in CRL. Then they don't have a reason to strike anymore because there job will definatly be gone. There are airports enough in Europe that want ryanair to set up a base. Belgium is probably the country in europe with the worst aviation climate of all. It's a disgrace!!!
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You can see from the message following yours that RY more than took advantage of the situation. So they shouldn't threaten to leave if they benefited from the situation. Of course this strike is more than questionable, however going on strike is a right, and by the way it happens more in France than in Belgium.sean1982 wrote:The planes were used in other bases to perform maintenance on the planes based there. They went to GRO, HHN and STN. And do you think it's so easy to just juggle planes around ?
It's not like: "Oh the loonetics in CRL have decided to stop the strike, Let's fly all the planes that we pulled out a couple of hours ago back. Never mind the ferrying costs we just did."
1 more time this and FR will be gone in CRL. Then they don't have a reason to strike anymore because there job will definatly be gone. There are airports enough in Europe that want ryanair to set up a base. Belgium is probably the country in europe with the worst aviation climate of all. It's a disgrace!!!
This is not a question of putting the planes to good use or not. There would have been other solutions for the aircraft shortage. This is about having to cancel more then 100 flights, about having 35000 pax stranded who chose ryanair to fly. They don't blame it on the security people in CRL, the airline takes the blame.
Going on strike is a right, I agree. BUT they have to play by the rules. For example announcing the strike 48 hours beforehand etc. Ruining 35.000 people's travel plans for nothing is nobody's right. Not to mention stealing from the wages of the employees who are willing to work. I was at the airport every day to see if we were flying. Off course nothin available. This is -250 EURO on my paycheck. I hope that the same lawsuits will turn up as in brussels a couple of months ago, were they try and get all the extra costs back from the strikers. Maybe this is the only thing that will prevent UNLAWFUL strikes !!
Going on strike is a right, I agree. BUT they have to play by the rules. For example announcing the strike 48 hours beforehand etc. Ruining 35.000 people's travel plans for nothing is nobody's right. Not to mention stealing from the wages of the employees who are willing to work. I was at the airport every day to see if we were flying. Off course nothin available. This is -250 EURO on my paycheck. I hope that the same lawsuits will turn up as in brussels a couple of months ago, were they try and get all the extra costs back from the strikers. Maybe this is the only thing that will prevent UNLAWFUL strikes !!
it WAS a wildcat strike:
-appointment for meeting with unions and minister on saturday morning at 0900am
-if, and only if, negotiations wouldn't succeed, strike was foreseen to begin on saturday at 1500pm
instead, they went striking on saturday morning at 0500am ( FOUR FULL HOURS before meeting with minister) !!!!!!!!!!!
if that is not a wildcat strike, the definition from the dictionnary has to be changed!
-appointment for meeting with unions and minister on saturday morning at 0900am
-if, and only if, negotiations wouldn't succeed, strike was foreseen to begin on saturday at 1500pm
instead, they went striking on saturday morning at 0500am ( FOUR FULL HOURS before meeting with minister) !!!!!!!!!!!
if that is not a wildcat strike, the definition from the dictionnary has to be changed!
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You can see from the message following yours that RY more than took advantage of the situation.
How can you say such a thing! Do you think Ryanair should have left their planes on the ground while they needed them elsewhere, just for the sake of it? And of course they WILL ask for compensations and they are more than right in doing so!
Totally amazing...
If they had left the planes where they're supposed to be (AGAIN I REMIND YOU THAT THOSE FOUR PLANES ARE ALWAYS FLYING BACK AND FORTH TO/FROM CHARLEROI so stop saying the planes were needed elsewhere as it is not true), thousands of people would have been able to fly on Sunday, instead of Monday. So that is why I think Ryanair is also to be blamed in this case.TUB001 wrote:stefanel wrote:[
You can see from the message following yours that RY more than took advantage of the situation.
How can you say such a thing! Do you think Ryanair should have left their planes on the ground while they needed them elsewhere, just for the sake of it? And of course they WILL ask for compensations and they are more than right in doing so!
Totally amazing...
I know Ryanair has 4 aircrafts based at CRL but with a little bit of logic I can understand why they don't let these planes on the ground if they need them somewhere else! And even if you proove they didn't (which you won't), they were right to move them as well...
You seem to have forgotten, the strike was supposed to be continued all over the week-end! RYR had already told their passengers the flights were cancelled and I am not sure that calling them back would have been a good idea! They needed to plan things instead of waiting for these poor MET guys to end their "action"!
You seem to have forgotten, the strike was supposed to be continued all over the week-end! RYR had already told their passengers the flights were cancelled and I am not sure that calling them back would have been a good idea! They needed to plan things instead of waiting for these poor MET guys to end their "action"!
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I couldn’t agree more. Once again, in a topic about a scandalous strike, some go out of their way to keep the unions free of guilt. This strike was aimed to cause as much damage as possible, hoping that the government would give it (which would cost them less then the claim they would face from Ryanair). Pure blackmailing by taking thousands of passengers as hostage.sean1982 wrote: 1 more time this and FR will be gone in CRL. There are airports enough in Europe who want Ryanair to set up a base. Belgium is probably the country in Europe with the worst aviation climate of all. It's a disgrace!!!
Think I have to fresh up your memory. On Friday afternoon, Ryanair has got a court order that their 4 planes had to be given back immediately. But the strikers, all Belgian civil servants, refused to respect the Belgian law and the (demissioning) minister of Justice was preparing a barbecue. Meanwhile, the first “talks” between the strikers and the minister turned out into nothing. Ryanair decided on Friday afternoon to cancel all flights till Monday. What’s wrong if Ryanair then wants to use it’s planes elsewhere? Did they had to ask you if it was allowed?pressman wrote:One went to Hahn as they were short, one went to Pau to pick up stranded pax as there was a technical problem , one went to London as it was needed there and one also to Girona. The strike couldn't have come at a better time for Ryanair as there were a lot of tech aircraft last weekend
Another quote for the “worst aviation climate”. Trying to reduce the damage is translated here as “to benefit from the situation”. You wrote about the strike: "more then questionable”: it is really impossible for you to condemn the strike, isn’t it? Let there be no doubt: passengers were taken as hostage. Going on strike indeed is a right, but if you announce the strike will not start before 15h00 and if you block off the runway at 05h00, you are stealing money from passengers. Because you know that pax will get refund from their Ryanair-tickets, but not from everything else they’ve already paid for: hotels, car rental, TGV-tickets, other plane tickets, …stefanel wrote: You can see from the message following yours that RY took more than advantage of the situation. So they shouldn't threaten to leave if they benefited from the situation. Of course this strike is more than questionable, however going on strike is a right, and by the way it happens more in France than in Belgium.
Nice to know someone here has a crystal ball. Just a pity you haven't warned the 35.000 stranded pax that the strike would start at 05h00, and not at 15h00 (at the earliest). But even then: what has a private airline to do with a labour dispute between civil servants and their minister?Acid-drop wrote:this one was not a wildcat strike, everybody knew many days before but Ryanair didnt do anything.
If… if… if… Fact you ignore, is that the strike was initially announced to start not before Friday at 15h00. By changing this without warning to the public and the airlines into 05h00, the unions showed to be totally unreliable. Ryanair therefore assumed that the strike would go on for the weekend, and they’ve cancelled all flights. Once that’s done, it’s impossible what you’re suggesting: “they could fly on Sunday”. With who? Most pax have gone home, went to LGG, to BRU, … There is one, and only one party to blame here.stefanel wrote:I think Ryanair should have brought the planes back on Sat. night so that all went back to normal on Sunday morning. I'm sure all passengers stuck there would agree with me, esp. if they knew that those four planes are only making flights back and forth to Charleroi.
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Will or will not Ryanair leave CRL? That decision has been taken already. Just try to imagine how O’Leary and Gering felt, when they saw television coverage from 4 of their extremely expensive planes, blocked off by police cars and other official safety cars by a gang of people, led by the CRL security chief himself. And imagine how both men felt, when their lawyer told them they have a court order in favour, but those who have to execute it, refuse to do so.
“Worst aviation climate of Europe”: for sure. If Ryanair announce a withdrawal, sales to/from CRL will stop immediately. So we’ll only find out when Ryanair decides it’s the best moment for them to announce. And this will be two weeks in advance, as obliged by EU-rule 261/2004.