Boeing 747 ADV is going ahead

Knight255 · Post by **Knight255** » 12 Apr 2005, 04:36

The one problem that I see with Boeing going ahead with this design is that they will have to pay for it with hard cash. It's a risky move, not knowing if the promises that they've made with the 787 will pay off, then investing into another design. I guess they must know something that I don't.

Starvmg · Post by **Starvmg** » 12 Apr 2005, 07:16

Who are potential customers?

BA, SQ, CX, LH...???????? any leads?

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 12 Apr 2005, 12:48

just those that are mentioned in the article.

Senior sources at British Airways said the airline had held talks with Boeing about the new aircraft. Japan Airlines and Cathay Pacific, which like BA have not ordered the A380, have also been in negotiations over the 747 Advanced.

Just about any operator of 747's who haven't yet ordered A380's is a potential customer, also the U.S. Carriers who have been suffering huge losses since 911 will need to upgrade their fleets, and the ADV can land at any U.S. Airport they currently serve with existing equipment. So the aircraft will be reasonably cheap, no retraining required, can use existing maintainace facilities, and will not require modifications to airport runways or stands.

KT

JoeCanuck · Post by **JoeCanuck** » 14 Apr 2005, 19:56

Maybe this has been gone over ad nauseum before, but why can't boeing just extend the upper deck further back without stretching the fuse?

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 14 Apr 2005, 22:45

JoeCanuck wrote:Maybe this has been gone over ad nauseum before, but why can't boeing just extend the upper deck further back without stretching the fuse?

“We see the aircraft as filling a gap between the 777 (Boeing’s next-smallest aircraft that carries up to 380 people) and the A380. There are airlines that would love a more efficient aircraft, but cannot justify all the seats of the A380, or the price,”

Capacity increases dictate an extension, and the CG must be maintained.

KT

V-Bird · Post by **V-Bird** » 15 Apr 2005, 13:28

I read on the @Home news page that KLM likes the "new" 744 adv, because the a380 is way to big, and the first generation 744 from KLM is getting old.... ( at least that there story

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B744skipper · Post by **B744skipper** » 15 Apr 2005, 22:42

I read on the @Home news page that KLM likes the "new" 744 adv, because the a380 is way to big, and the first generation 744 from KLM is getting old....

The majority of KLM's B744's was delivered in the years 1989 till 1993. So thinking about a replacement is not too early (considering it will take a couple of years until new aircraft arrive).

KLM's fleet of B744's consists of 25 aircraft, divided into:
- Boeing 747-406ERF Freighters (3);
- Boeing 747-406 Passenger planes (5);
- Boeing 747-406M Combi's (17);

So KLM is no where near the A380 capacity, and they are totally right when they state that the A380 is way to big for them. It would be the best move to order more B744M's as a replacement.
As a replacement for the all passenger configured B744's, it would be a waste of money to order just a few A380's, even when they can fill them, because they should keep fleet commonality.

Is there a Combi version of the A380 made?