Ryanair at Brussels Airport

[flymd11]

Companies I am sure.
Large NGOs or IOs, I am not sure anymore given recent cutbacks. The different EU Institutions, ECTL and NATO, which together must account for 90% of European/international organisation staff staff in Brussels all have cheapest airline within a defined time slot policies.

[Passenger]

Alicante, Barcelona, Ibiza, Lisbon, Malaga, Palma, Porto, Rome, Valencia, Venice.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these destinations that will be a more severe competition to Jetairfly and Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium then to Brussels Airlines?

[crlhub]

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[LJ]

http://www.independent.ie/business/ryan ... 74088.html

And more fun passenger

Thus in essence MOL is admitting that the current model has its limitations and that it's time to move to the easyJet model... I would never thought this would happen (MOL admitting that the ultra LCC model cannot work in the long run).

BTW the 10 routes is still less then the 26 they asked slots for at AMS. Fortunately for easyJet, AF/KL they decided to go for BRU instead.

[airazurxtror]

I'm not really looking forward working in the Skyshops again (during summer season) if RYR clients will be there.. no offence but most of them are either retarded or rude or both..

Evidence that is at least one rude and retarded person who works in the Skyshops in summer.

[FLYAIR10]

FlightMate wrote:
85% are connecting pax? Don't forget these are very low yields, on the european network.
If SN lose all their o/d traffic, that's gonna hurt, for sure.
They are not going to lose all of it. First of all, Belgium is not such a poor country, still relative ok amount of higher-yield leisure passengers that is not going to fly RYR. Secondly, SN currently holds quite an amount of contracts with tourism companies like Club Med and Thomas Cook that supply a certain amount of passengers (besides the charter flights). Another aspect is that SN has stronger relationships with companies (often LH Group related), the EU and other organisations for business traffic.

Question: if FR is testing new grounds , will they also start carrying Cargo on their flights?
As far as I know the LCC's do not carry cargo...yet...
Grtz.

[tangolima]

Hello

I heard handling Will be done by Aviapartner.

Greetings,

[tangolima]

Alicante, Barcelona, Ibiza, Lisbon, Malaga, Palma, Porto, Rome, Valencia, Venice.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these destinations that will be a more severe competition to Jetairfly and Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium then to Brussels Airlines?

Hello

Thomas Cook isn't flying to Barcelona, lisbon, porto , Rome, Valencia and Venice

Greetings,

[Pocahontas]

FR will create 1500 jobs in BRU (I wonder where), question is how many they will destroy. They will even sell their tickets with loss. If you have fe Delhaize, and next to it comes a store that makes a lot of profit, and still receiving big amounts of money from governments all over Europe, that can sell its goods at 50% (with loss) of the Delhaize price, were will people do their shopping? I cannot understand how this is legally possible. But it seems that a lot of people like this way of working. Thinking it is normal that a train ticket to the Belgian coast is more expensive then taking a flight. Well I hope that one day those peoples employer will have a Ryanairlike firm coming over to destroy it, I wonder what you would think of this. How can you be happy that Belgian companies are put in trouble for a ticket price that is beyond any reason.

[Stij]

I'm not really looking forward working in the Skyshops again (during summer season) if RYR clients will be there.. no offence but most of them are either retarded or rude or both..

Evidence that is at least one rude and retarded person who works in the Skyshops in summer.

Tomskii's remark is maybe a bit exaggerated but you can't deny a lot of FR's pax behave like cattle, especially during boarding (now who conditioned them this way). After a lot of experiences one starts to speak about "rude".

Also a lot of them are less used to security checks (another bottle of shampoo down the drain... after a stupid discussion of 5 minutes). After a lot of experiences one starts to speak about "retarded".

Cheers,

Stij

[sean1982]

I'm not really looking forward working in the Skyshops again (during summer season) if RYR clients will be there.. no offence but most of them are either retarded or rude or both..

Evidence that is at least one rude and retarded person who works in the Skyshops in summer.

Tomskii's remark is maybe a bit exaggerated but you can't deny a lot of FR's pax behave like cattle, especially during boarding (now who conditioned them this way). After a lot of experiences one starts to speak about "rude".

Also a lot of them are less used to security checks (another bottle of shampoo down the drain... after a stupid discussion of 5 minutes). After a lot of experiences one starts to speak about "retarded".

Cheers,

Stij

Stij, he flew FR twice in 7 years. You call that "a lot"? I hope you do realise you just agreed to generalise 80 million people rude and retarded. Is that called supremacy then? The arrogance on this forum has no limits. Sad :-/

[sean1982]

FR will create 1500 jobs in BRU (I wonder where), question is how many they will destroy. They will even sell their tickets with loss. If you have fe Delhaize, and next to it comes a store that makes a lot of profit, and still receiving big amounts of money from governments all over Europe, that can sell its goods at 50% (with loss) of the Delhaize price, were will people do their shopping? I cannot understand how this is legally possible. But it seems that a lot of people like this way of working. Thinking it is normal that a train ticket to the Belgian coast is more expensive then taking a flight. Well I hope that one day those peoples employer will have a Ryanairlike firm coming over to destroy it, I wonder what you would think of this. How can you be happy that Belgian companies are put in trouble for a ticket price that is beyond any reason.

I understand you are worried. But ask yourself this: Why is everybody only talking about SN and not about JAF for example? They have much more routes in common with FR out of BRU. For years Belgian companies have been shouting:"the playing field is not level" Now FR is comming to play on the same field and everyone is outraged. Why is that? The crew operating those flights will be belgian as well? And now the tables have turned even cause the Belgian companies are at an advantage as, I am sure you know, Belgian companies DO NOT pay social security for their crews untill 2022? FR DOES!

[Stij]

FR will create 1500 jobs in BRU (I wonder where), question is how many they will destroy. They will even sell their tickets with loss. If you have fe Delhaize, and next to it comes a store that makes a lot of profit, and still receiving big amounts of money from governments all over Europe, that can sell its goods at 50% (with loss) of the Delhaize price, were will people do their shopping? I cannot understand how this is legally possible. But it seems that a lot of people like this way of working. Thinking it is normal that a train ticket to the Belgian coast is more expensive then taking a flight. Well I hope that one day those peoples employer will have a Ryanairlike firm coming over to destroy it, I wonder what you would think of this. How can you be happy that Belgian companies are put in trouble for a ticket price that is beyond any reason.

I can really understand your point of view and you perceive it as unfair... but...

The company I work for experienced the same with subsidized exports form China to the Benelux. It was unfair and it was killing us, however, we're still there. There's only one way out: your company will have to change and adapt, not in one field but in all field. Operational excellence all the way.

The days you can charge 500€ or more for a day round trip in a B light kind of product are over.

A little book that I REALLY would like to recommend: "who moved my cheese?" Google it for an abstract.

I've written this before and I think it's more then valid now: Look at what happened in the US: the legacy carriers were in the same situation, but they are still there, because they adapted their model more to the LCC. Still a "bit" more expensive for a "bit" more service.

Cheers,

Stij

[air belgium]

SN has to give a decent meal in B flex class. (not a very small sandwich during lunch/dinner time), at least a free drink in B light class. (see Southwest airlines, British Airways, Lufthansa, Swiss etc)

[airazurxtror]

Tomskii's remark is maybe a bit exaggerated but you can't deny a lot of FR's pax behave like cattle, especially during boarding (now who conditioned them this way). After a lot of experiences one starts to speak about "rude".
Also a lot of them are less used to security checks (another bottle of shampoo down the drain... after a stupid discussion of 5 minutes). After a lot of experiences one starts to speak about "retarded".

Stij,
I have flown 4 FR flights just yesterday, and, believe me, the FR passengers behave like any other passengers at any airport. There are some who know their way about, and some first-timers, like everywhere. And there was no rush "everybody for himself" to get a seat.
If you want to see people that behave like cattle, go and try to get on a bus, tram, metro or a shuttle train at the rush hours ...
Cheers,
Michel

[Stij]

Stij, he flew FR twice in 7 years. You call that "a lot"? I hope you do realise you just agreed to generalise 80 million people rude and retarded. Is that called supremacy then? The arrogance on this forum has no limits. Sad :-/

Sean,

Nope, I do not, I agree a lot of them are, say 10%?

Or how do you call my wife being pushed out of the way with a baby in her arms just to be a bit quicker in the plane?

Or how do you call the stampede when the plane is parked remote and the doors of the bus open.

One way or the other, I NEVER experienced this on other carriers.

Could be these people became so because of MOL's amusing rules... but it remains a lot of your pax behave rude and make that flying your airline is not as smooth as it could be.

BTW read what I write: After a lot of experiences, one starts to speak about...

Cheers,

Stij

[teddybAIR]

I was surprised to hear the announcement that Ryanair would open a base at BRU and apparently BRU management was surprised as well. They seem to be caught off guard and state that:

1) they were not even remotely aware of the Ryanair plans to operate from BRU
2) no formal demand for slots has been placed by Ryanair
3) serving Ryanair would not fit the BRU strategy. However, they cannot refuse access to BRU to any European based carrier. Yet, they don't have to adapt their commercial strategy to Ryanair and don't seem to be enclined to do so.

This all makes me wonder whether what we witnessed the last few days is not simply a keen negotiation strategy from the part of Ryanair in order to get/keep better terms & conditions for future expansion at EBCI. Imagine EBCI what EBCI management must be thinking right now! They face an apparent risk that future ryanair expansion will not be from EBCI. Extrapolating the past would suggest that major concessions will now be made to Ryanair in order to secure the expansion at EBCI instead of EBBR...just my 2 cents though.

[Stij]

Stij,
I have flown 4 FR flights just yesterday, and, believe me, the FR passengers behave like any other passengers at any airport. There are some who know their way about, and some first-timers, like everywhere. And there was no rush "everybody for himself" to get a seat.
If you want to see people that behave like cattle, go and try to get on a bus, tram, metro or a shuttle train at the rush hours ...
Cheers,
Michel

Hi Michel,

Good for you! And very wise to travel on late autumn midweek flights. Try the full weekend flights in July or August to the tourist traps your wife likes to go to... we'll talk again...

However, one light at the end of the tunnel: I'm sure it'll improve when assigned seating will be implemented.

Cheers,

Stij

[sean1982]

I was surprised to hear the announcement that Ryanair would open a base at BRU and apparently BRU management was surprised as well. They seem to be caught off guard and state that:

1) they were not even remotely aware of the Ryanair plans to operate from BRU
2) no formal demand for slots has been placed by Ryanair
3) serving Ryanair would not fit the BRU strategy. However, they cannot refuse access to BRU to any European based carrier. Yet, they don't have to adapt their commercial strategy to Ryanair and don't seem to be enclined to do so.

This all makes me wonder whether what we witnessed the last few days is not simply a keen negotiation strategy from the part of Ryanair in order to get/keep better terms & conditions for future expansion at EBCI. Imagine EBCI what EBCI management must be thinking right now! They face an apparent risk that future ryanair expansion will not be from EBCI. Extrapolating the past would suggest that major concessions will now be made to Ryanair in order to secure the expansion at EBCI instead of EBBR...just my 2 cents though.

In the mean time contracts are signed, slots assigned, crew transfer requests done, etc..
In the long term I think this is bad news for CRL. Look at GRO and BCN for example

[teddybAIR]

Good for you! And very wise to travel on late autumn midweek flights. Try the full weekend flights in July or August to the tourist traps your wife likes to go to... we'll talk again...

Isn't that regardless of the airline? I mean, every summer i get confronted with co-pax who don't seem to understand the phrase "please remain seated until the captain has turned of the seatbelt sign" and pax practically killing each other to be the first to wait for their luggage