Three Ryanair "emergency" landings in Valencia on same day

[andorra-airport]

my attitude sucks? Why because I refuse to give in to the Brussels Airlines clan? It's called freedom of speech Sir.

I also think that somebody with 3 posts says to somebody else "you suck" is not very polite

I totally agree with you , sean1982. +1 !

[sn26567]

I hope that tempers have cooled. I will thus tentatively reopen the topic, which is worth some debate. I expect serious discussions and input from pilots, ATCOs and other knowledgeable people rather than kindergarten games.

Thanks to all the future participants in the discussions for maintaining respect of the others' opinions.

[Boeing767copilot]

Inquiry advises Madrid fuel rethink after Valencia diversions

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ns-376753/

[earthman]

[armchair airline manager mode]
Ryanair should just by default plan more fuel for flights to Spain, period.
[/armchair airline manager mode]

[Inquirer]

[armchair airline manager mode]
Ryanair should just by default plan more fuel for flights to Spain, period.
[/armchair airline manager mode]

I think it is very sad that what seems to be fairly common sense to do, has to be legally enforced before it gets accepted by all.

However, if some airlines lack the discipline to self-regulate to safety standards which are standard practices at others, then there is no other possibility but to enforce it by official rules, and to prevent differences in the way safety issues are approached to become a competitive (dis)advantage.

[Stij]

I think it wasn't really legally enforced: it was a recommendation. FR aknowledged that the recommandation was correct and implemented it in its SOP. Fine, the system works.

However, it's never good to receive "recommendations" from controlling bodies, so I guess "of the record", FR isn't so proud of this and will probably put this day on their "wall of shame".

If other issues were bothering the controlling bodies, they were propably talked about as well and my guess is FR will avoid new "recommendations" in the near future by anticipating changes to the SOP. Nobody wants two sets of "recommendations" in one year.

Anyhow, this is how I would react...

Cheers,

Stij

EDIT typo

[earthman]

Ryanair should print the names of those responsible on the toilet paper in their lavatories (or is that something you pay extra for?).

[earthman]

Actually I think that Ryanair should have added taking on extra fuel on trips to Spain to their SOP right after those incindents, not waiting for any outside recommendations. Perhaps they did, I don't know that.

[sean1982]

Ryanair should print the names of those responsible on the toilet paper in their lavatories (or is that something you pay extra for?).

SN26567, this is how long it took for the kintergarten games to restart. Seriously why was this topic re-opened? Earthman, congrats!! up to the next one

[Passenger]

Ryanair should print the names of those responsible on the toilet paper in their lavatories (or is that something you pay extra for?).

SN26567, this is how long it took for the kintergarten games to restart. Seriously why was this topic re-opened? Earthman, congrats!! up to the next one

The post from earthman is no infract to the forum rules. Even more: not long ago, Ryanair proposed to let passengers pay for the use of the toilet. Main purpose: forcing people to go to the toilet before boarding, thus reducing the personal weight, thus reducing the fuel consuption.

[sean1982]

OMG, and you actually believed that?

[B.Inventive]

Ryanair should print the names of those responsible on the toilet paper in their lavatories (or is that something you pay extra for?).

SN26567, this is how long it took for the kintergarten games to restart. Seriously why was this topic re-opened? Earthman, congrats!! up to the next one

The post from earthman is no infract to the forum rules. Even more: not long ago, Ryanair proposed to let passengers pay for the use of the toilet. Main purpose: forcing people to go to the toilet before boarding, thus reducing the personal weight, thus reducing the fuel consuption.

OH come on that was just free worldwide attention for the airline, well done by their PR team...
Thing is, the product is very low quality so the image cannot really be broken by ridiculous announcements... thus they get free attention from all possible media channels this way...

Pay for toilet... right...

[Passenger]

OH come on that was just free worldwide attention for the airline, well done by their PR team...
Thing is, the product is very low quality so the image cannot really be broken by ridiculous announcements... thus they get free attention from all possible media channels this way...
Pay for toilet... right...

Indeed : and they have a big map of those "silly press releases". Every time the airline gets bad publicity about an issue, they send out one of those press releases. Aim: that people talk about something else that happens at Ryanair.

example: consumer organizations going to court for compulsary extra's that are not included in the ticket price: press release "Ryanair wants extra wide doors to speed up boarding" (this will not solve the problem in the cabin).

example: Ryenair drops off passengers in the middle of nowhere after a weather divertion: press release "Ryanair wants aircraft with only stand-up passengers" (no way ICAO will allow that).

example: European Commission opens yet another investigation into illegal state aid: press release "Ryanair will ask 1 UKP for the use of toilets" (too stupid to consider).

However, it did not work this time: the fuel emergencies and Ryanair's dangerous policy about weight will follow them for a long time to go. With our without airline or airport staff asking moderators to close topics about it...

[airazurxtror]

the fuel emergencies and Ryanair's dangerous policy about weight will follow them for a long time to go.

That is known as wishful thinking !

[Stij]

That is known as wishful thinking !

I got some sand in my eye, I think it comes from some little boys in the sandpit of the kindergarten throwing sand to each other.

The general public probably never noticed these incidents... as usual.
But I think that a couple of agency's will not so fast forget them and will keep a close eye on FR. Which is their job.

And no it doesn't matter whether it's a LLC or fuill service airliner.

Cheers,

Stij-flying-the-bus-tomorrow

[sean1982]

However, it did not work this time: the fuel emergencies and Ryanair's dangerous policy about weight will follow them for a long time to go. With our without airline or airport staff asking moderators to close topics about it...

I'm not asking this topic to be closed, dear passenger. You can continue to add useless points to the discussion which is useless in the first place, much to my enjoyment I must say.

As for the moderators request for input from knowledgeable people ...., I rest my case

[RoMax]

I think this discussion is quite worthless...It's always RYR-'supporters' against the rest, not really 'wrong,', but with RYR that always ends into a discussion that is more about how this discussion should be and what is according to the forum rules and what not, instead of really discussing the subject in an adult way...

[Squelsh]

With our without airline or airport staff asking moderators to close topics about it...

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Untrue. It is by making a topic stink so much with totally zero-content off-topic play-on-the-person replies(which the poster finds so funny and witty but a legit interested reader doesn't -childish even TBH-) on totally legit on-topic questions/findings conclusions, that one can achieve this. 2 names, just 2. Take a fing chance, one guess who I mean. And no, the iggy-list poster not included.
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On topic: said before and said again: there is something wrong with this airline, quiete hard to put your finger on it, but it's there, cases abundancy.. And I'm not going to mention the-word-that-is-never-mentioned-in-airline-business just as argument. What goes up must come... It's not a question of who is the next.. Childish way of thinking

[jan_olieslagers]

It really is a matter of "behave within legal bounds" vs. "behave like a good family father" ("en bon père de famille", straight from the code Napoléon). Is it perhaps also a matter of "old style business" versus "new style business"?

I for one can't blame Ryanair for operating close to legal minima. If that brings about dangerous situations, it is an indication that legal minima are too tight.

Genuine question: what policies are applied on the matter by other low-coasters*? Wizz? Easy-Jet? Are they also very tight, on the verge of legality?



*no typo! just for the fun!

[earthman]

It is not that the legal minima are bad, rather that the diversion plans are apparently completely unrealistic.

Are these things even checked by anyone?

Also, didn't the report also state that the crews diverted too late?

If the amount of fuel to take is based on some worst case scenario, then clearly that scenario is overly optimistic.