SU 777s news

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 19 Jun 2005, 00:49

I've heard from a reliable source that SU can't have more than 27 western made aircrafts (the 4 DC-10-40 F are not concerned). Otherwise, they have to pay huge taxes. Is this number still valid or SU reached a new agreement with russian government?

THX

Seb.

A380-800 · Post by **A380-800** » 19 Jun 2005, 00:53

Good to read this and thanks for updating me, Mr. Airbus !

rgds,

A380-800

MrAirbus · Post by **MrAirbus** » 19 Jun 2005, 00:59

HorsePower wrote:I've heard from a reliable source that SU can't have more than 27 western made aircrafts (the 4 DC-10-40 F are not concerned). Otherwise, they have to pay huge taxes. Is this number still valid or SU reached a new agreement with russian government?

THX

Seb.

I don’t know what you mean!

But yes they do have 27 now when the B777 left the fleet!

Most of them are A320-family today, in fact 19!

The two A310 are leaving the fleet soon and they are from there first order many years ago! (25 after that!)

The 767 are leased though GECAS as well like some of the A320, they probably made similar tax deal and registered the aircrafts abroad!

MrAirbus · Post by **MrAirbus** » 19 Jun 2005, 01:00

Soon a former First Choice Airways 767 will enter there fleet! 7 of them in there fleet then!

SR89 · Post by **SR89** » 19 Jun 2005, 02:24

MrAirbus wrote:

The Russian government did plan this order for a long time!

You see, when Aeroflot made a order for some 12 Boeing 737-400 in the middle of the 90ties they could pay Boeing but not the Russian tax! However they also got in trouble with JAA of Europe with there Old Russian made aircrafts that where old and noisy!

After years of endless talk and some hard economic time for Aeroflot and the state of Russia they came up with a very good solution!

The Russian President Putin was eager to get closer to EU and France! And Aeroflot was keen to get the B737-400 out of there fleet since they didn’t like them so much!

During a huge Russian diplomatic visit to France (and Toulouse) the French President told the press that Airbus+GECAS was in final negotiations with Russia/Aeroflot for an order of 40 Airbus A320-family aircraft!

Just to complete this excellent explanation, the tax referred to in the post represented 40% of the value of any order from the Western world (Boeing, Airbus, etc.), which was obviously non-viable economically.

This tax has now been ruled as counterproductive by Russian officials.

B744skipper · Post by **B744skipper** » 19 Jun 2005, 11:45

MrAirbus wrote:So many new A320 and some more B767 free from import tax! (As well as there DC10-40F)!

I always thought that those aircraft where free of import tax because they did not import those aircraft into Russia, but to the Bahama's or Bermuda's instead (hence the VP-XXX registration on those aircraft), and then not having to pay the tax.

But what Horsepower said about the 27 aircraft seems to be true, I got this from Airfleets.net.

Airbus A310 2
Airbus A319 9
Airbus A320 7
Airbus A321 3
Boeing 767 6
Boeing 777 2
DC-10 4

All the aircraft above have VP-XXX registrations (The A310's have French registrations).

When counting out both the DC-10's and the B772's (btw, why did they need to go?) the total of Western aircraft in Aeroflots fleet is 27.

MrAirbus · Post by **MrAirbus** » 19 Jun 2005, 12:58

SR89 wrote: Just to complete this excellent explanation, the tax referred to in the post represented 40% of the value of any order from the Western world (Boeing, Airbus, etc.), which was obviously non-viable economically.

This tax has now been ruled as counterproductive by Russian officials.

THANK you SR98 !!!!!!