Conflicting opinions about the dispersion plan of BRU

[Rayman]

Before it turns political again.
.....A certain law in the Brussels region goes about noise. Airplanes that take off from Zaventem pass over Brussels' region territory.
When the planes are guided to the north , they pass over flemish territory, where there are different laws.....

I’m astonished.
I considered quite often moving to Belgium once. I’m afraid I have to re-evaluate it at all.
I cannot believe there’s a kind of anarchical Babylon down there. Regional rules must be limited to admin. regulatory matters only, especially when the dimensions and distances are so “petite” small.

Politicians…indeed…they’re very talented to turn simple matters into complex.

Zaventem will not close.

[SN30952]

Anciau is he a green frenchspeaking?

Anciaux only laughs green.. :thumbsup2: :laugh:

[regi]

You let depend your decision to move to Belgium on 1 lead in a forum?
I would say, come over to Belgium, enjoy one of the last european countries where there is no taxation on wealth as in your country the Netherlands, enjoy the 120km/h speed limit and the 3 lane highways instead of the dutch mostly 100km/h highways with 2 narrow lanes, and enjoy real food even along the highway and in the airport instead of a "broodje kroket" or food "out of the wall. Have you checked out the great restaurant upstairs at our airport already? Great place. No offence, just some old details.
Another point of view: Belgium is a country where ethnical/language problems are discussed and dealt with in a very polite way. I can remember just 1 time that a drunk guy fired a gun in Voeren, about 15 years ago ("Boer Snoeck"), causing no harm to anybody. There were some fights and marches, but all in all, it is a part of our society and it is a way of living.
Well, Anciaux is a good example. As a real fils à papa, he enherited the flemish nationalist party VU (peoples union) and destroyed it to the bone. Eventually he even joined the socialist party where flemish nationalism is "not done". I wonder if Anciaux still remember the flemish national anthyme , or does he sing now the Internationale.

[Jense]

Before it turns political again.

It is quite difficult to say anything about policitis, since the noise case is all about it...

[regi]

noise doesn't carry a party member card

[Gate-A1]

Anciau is he a green frenchspeaking?

Anciaux only laughs green.. :thumbsup2: :laugh:

But it's his plan who causes problems and who is so easy to fight

[Atlantis]

Unbelievable what we all have to hear and to read. Have those people no hard feelings about all the people who work at the airport. And not only at the airport but all the suppliers who are involved with the airport. We speak about thousands and thousands of people.
Did the VLD don't say that they want to create 200.000 new jobs? Well, in one way they could easy loose 200.000 jobs.
I don't understand why the politics don't make a clear vision. The airport exist and it will stay. Now it's too late. They have build around the airport and very close. Don't complain now about the noise. And those people of Kraainem and Tervuren and Wezenbeek-Oppem, it are the EU-employees who complain because they rent their houses for 3000 euro a month!!!!

The people like you and me are the victims if they close Zaventem. It's a real nightmare. I vomit on those people.

The airlines has to make lists of all people who have made the complaints about the noise and the have to forbid this people to take an airplane when they are going on holiday, because then it's allowed but not when they are at home and have a desand party with candle light. But I know in practise it's not possible, pitty.

[Atlantis]

Me again,

I read also in De Tijd that they want to take action agains 25R after that they become that 02/20 will not use for Saturdays. Can you believe it!!!!
My mouth felt open when I saw it. If this come true, they have indeed to close the airport. But be shore I give those people "men toek op hun cabine"

[SN30952]

This looks like killing the hen with the golden eggs.
Frenchspeaking politicians should think more than twice.
If they kill the hen with the golden eggs, who will pay their subsidies. I read last week that the money transfers from Flemish to Frenchspeaking part of Belgium (North-South) are higher per capita than the transfers from West Germany to East Germany. The former transfer lasting already much longer.
Now if some want to see the transfer to go on, they'll have to carry some of the burden... and not kill the hen...



The Hen and the Golden Eggs - Fable by Aesop

A cottager and his wife had a Hen that laid a golden egg every day. They supposed that the Hen must contain a great lump of gold in its inside, and in order to get the gold they killed it. Having done so, they found to their surprise that the Hen differed in no respect from their other hens. The foolish pair, thus hoping to become rich all at once, deprived themselves of the gain of which they were assured day by day.

Also a nice Easop's fable is this one:
A Lion was awakened from sleep by a Mouse running over his face. Rising up angrily, he caught him and was about to kill him, when the Mouse piteously entreated, saying: “If you would only spare my life, I would be sure to repay your kindness.” The Lion laughed and let him go. It happened shortly after this that the Lion was caught by some hunters, who bound him by strong ropes to the ground. The Mouse, recognizing his roar, came and gnawed the rope with his teeth, and set him free, exclaiming:
“You ridiculed the idea of my ever being able to help you, not expecting to receive from me any repayment of your favor; now you know that it is possible for even a Mouse to confer benefits on a Lion.”

[Atlantis]

For Deurne the same story. A judge decided that the "milieuvergunning" is not correct. The people around the airport take the same actions like those around Zaventem. The judge take a decision at 27 September.

[Ozzie1969]

Don't blame the judges. If they do their job competently, they are only applying the laws made by our beloved politicians. Don't blame the judges for faulty laws. And if a judge is incompetent, he probably got his job through some political maneuvering anyway...

Let's face it : it's our politicians that f*ck up just about everything in this country.

P.S. : Don't blame those WILOO-w*nkers and other complainers either. In a free and democratic country, everybody has the right to talk nonsense. If our politicians were worth their salt, they would make sure that no houses are ever built just meters from an airport. But unfortunately, our politicians are not exactly the highlight of competence. What do you expect, if ministers change seats every couple of months just to hide their own incompetence at just about anything? It's not the complainers that drove DHL out of Zaventem, it's the politicians that decided that a few dozen villa-dwelling complainers are more important than the jobs of thousands of working men and women. As long as politicians of all political persuasions and on both sides of the linguistic border keep running around like chickens with their heads cut off, ridiculous situations like the problems concerning noise levels at Zaventem and the surrounding area will simply continue, maybe even get worse. Closure of Zaventem impossible? Remember, this is Belgium. Nothing could be that stupid that it's impossible in this country.

[blackhawk]

This topic will be discussed in Ter Zake (Canvas) this evening: Renaat Landuyt and Sven Gatz (VLD Brussel) will be in de studio.

Een vliegtuig is fijn maar het maakt veel lawaai. Dat lawaai moet ergens naartoe maar niemand die er zit op te wachten. Als niemand het lawaai er bij wil nemen, dan moet Zaventem sluiten. Tot zover de redenering maar hoe gaat dat dan in het echte leven? Minister van mobiliteit Renaat Landuyt en Sven Gatz (VLD Brussel) over waarheen het vliegt.

[Atlantis]

Sven Gatz (VLD Brussel) was very clear. Everyone has to make an effort. Brussels has to near down the limits for noise, even the actiongroups in the North and the East has to calm down. But he was one of the more realistic people. I'm very curious about the meeting tomorrow of the government of Brussels.

[Rayman]

You let depend your decision to move to Belgium on 1 lead in a forum? ......No offence, just some old details. ...

Of course not Regi. I just can't stand excess in bureaucracy and political games.

BTW, no offence at all. I'm not Dutch, quite satisfied with my "culinaire" and speed (130 kmh) background.

Anyhow, Zaventem will not close !

[Bruspotter]

Hello

(sorry but this reply might be cruel...not for mature audiences)

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What an Idea!!! Really super ridiculous...Belgium makes a bad , RIDICULOUS figure to the world!!!

Really if it was mine's to decide...man there would roll multiple heads...(figural)from highplaced persons.

How can JUST ONE JUGDE decide about a question that is important about the further economical existing of a country...It should be a case for the Belgium government...(well... ...now it is) , and if the majority isn't agree..call a VETO , they have already done it multiple times in history...it's time to do it again.

BRU MUST exist further for the importance of WHOLE Belgium!!!

The idea to close is just UNREAL!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!!

And about the runway use...just leave it to the controllers...its really CRAP!!! That they complain about the density on the 25R runway use...it IS in a matter a fact the main runway for some reason...

It want help a thing using 3 runways together for spreading it...it would only make BRU a stressy and unsafe airport! And by the way , you have people who will ALWAYS keep nagging , there will always be people who have troubles with noise...I guess if you want to stay living there , and you choose to live there...it's time to adapt that in your lifestyle!

If this would happen in another country , people would have been setted out of their home and the village would be demolished (just like they did with 'DOEL').

And the thing is...they may be happy that we still live in an democratical country where they have a VOICE , even if it doesn't means much difference , they had their chance...it was once again not good enough...had BAD luck.

If I see all those people building their new 7million villa's around BRU , and later on I hear it are mostly the young , new villagers of 'Steenokkerzeel' , 'Zaventem' , ' Nossegem' , 'Melsbroek' , 'Erps-Kwerps' who complains...than that makes me VERY MAD!!!!!!!

And to tell you another thing... In a article that I read this week (excuse me but don't know where it was anymore...sorry) , was said the complaints has risen VERY high the LAST MONTH , and to tell even more...almost 80% of the complaints of noise were from 'Francophones' , I think I don't need to make a sketch with that????

Isn't it weird...EXACTLY THIS MONTH??? (MAY I'm talking about..the article was from end May).

Never thought about BHV?? Maybe they're just in a very bad mood , because they didn't got what they wanted with Brussel-Halle-Vilvoorde?? They even had to give up more privileges than before so....

And than saying that Flemish people are not tolerant...get in the highest tree I would say (DEN HOOGSTEN BOOM IN!!!!).

Last but not least!

As I already said dozen times in other topics! It doesn't makes sense to NOT use 02/20 because there are less villages under those routes (except take off 02-landing 20....you come above the villages next to 'Mechelen')
The only difference , (DAAR ZITTEN DE WALEN, en eerlijk gezegd heb k daar niet speciaal iets tegen maar nu gaan ze toch een beetje te ver)...(sorry last part was in Dutch..didn't know how else to say , but really had to say that to get the full picture).

So indeed , it is like I read in the newspaper today. Renaat Landuyt says...with all this runway restrictions...only 25L could remain in use...so what's the next step...close it too? We can even good close it than. IDD it looks like that than.

Something extra....in Country's like America they have a system of ...charge me....just try to. And they have millions of money claiming charges a year...In Belgium you may try it , and in origin it want work...but if you accidently have right...than it looks like they're changing the world. In the USA you can try to do that..and you will be rich if the case is over...but at last NOTHING will change , and people there know it DAMN RIGHT GOOD!! And they're right to do it like that. Because if you do that in those country's (like here) , you're a danger to the community and a enemy of the state and the economy.

Where is that taught here?? WE need it!!!

But I want you all to know , and I swear to god (and I'm not even a religious man)I WILL undertake action...than I start a petition...and next step is trying to set up a 'BETOGING' trough Brussels if it needs..but if BRU is really going down...I will not let my life-dream go down!!! I WILL FIGHT UNTIL THE BITTER END!!!!!!!!!!

(AMEN!):D

God bless us all!! Yannick

PS: Maybe this looks like a little overreacted! But it's just to show my exact meaning about this...we have to do something than. And...I don't know much about laws etc... but I do know one thing...This is my own opinion , I hope you respect it , and I will have respect for every other...and if you feel i'm wrong , just tell me.

[airbuske]

Yeah stupid Belgium

Why do be have such a complex federal state ("met gemeenschappen en gewesten die elke aparte bevoegdheden hebben")?

Can't we react ? Like Yannick said a petition or something else?

[A26]

Thing that scares me the most is that we are dealing with politicians who have no f**king clue. They just listen to those who make the most noise (pun not intended). The only thing they care about is the amount of votes they'll get the next election. What do they care if BRU closes? They have no problem, they can always get on their private A330 somewhere else. And the thousands of unemployed after the closure will eventually disappear into the statistics. They make me sick.

[Bottie]

Yeah stupid Belgium

Why do be have such a complex federal state ("met gemeenschappen en gewesten die elke aparte bevoegdheden hebben")?

Can't we react ? Like Yannick said a petition or something else?

First saying 'Yeah stupid Belgium' and then sending a petition

I don't think this is the solution ...

[airbuske]

With stupid Belgium I mean the stupid and complex state structure.

In the lessons law the professor told us about why they couldn't agree about the DHL problem. Main raison are the federal states.

If you have to study the state structure you will know why I say stupid

[luchtzak]

I am sure Brussels Airport will not be closed and I really hope somebody in the Wetstraat wakes up very soon to find a solution for this problem!

Curious to read press and radio tomorrow 8O