Thought Air France had dirty planes?

Post by **speedbird1** » 09 May 2005, 13:38

Air France aren't exactly well known for the cleanest looking planes out there, but check this effort from Iberia to put Air france to shame!

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=468904

Emirates

L-1011 · Post by **L-1011** » 09 May 2005, 16:43

I must say that dirty AF pics are getting less commen. Is it because people are more used to them? Or are they using a new dirt-repellant paint ?

That's the problem with light-coloured planes. If you don't pass through a raincloud ervery once in a while you get dirty with all the pollution that's in the air

I prefer seeing the companies fly with safe and dirty planes than spending money on cleaning agents (which make the seat price rise)

ciao,
TriStar

A318 · Post by **A318** » 09 May 2005, 16:58

A nice shiny plane is well more apreciated by passengers then those dirty things flying around.
Besides that it is well known that a dirty plane uses more fuel (believe it or not!) then a clean plane due to aero dynamics.
Besides that it is also in the commercial view much better to fly with clean planes, it is like a flying bill board. I never forget flying to MIA when a LH 747 passed by, slowly and completely shiny, she was a beauty.

Erwin

Captain · Post by **Captain** » 09 May 2005, 17:20

I remember that's that dirty plane I saw in Guatemala City airport - GUA.

If interested, see the little report I wrote: https://www.aviation24.be/postt10457.html

Does anyone have any experience with flying Iberia long-haul? I have the impression they are not that good in economy compared to other European carriers?

Captain

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 09 May 2005, 19:43

A aircraft does not get dirty from flying...
When an aircraft get dust and other dirt, then it is usually during night stops.
Some aircraft have nights out in some dirty places... Meaning if these aircraft have nights out, they are very short time at base, where they could go for a wash. The result is dirty aircraft as long as they stay on rotations to these dirty night stops.

Vinnie-Winnie · Post by **Vinnie-Winnie** » 09 May 2005, 20:08

Since we are talking about clean and dirty planes, can anyone tell me how airlines clean their planes? Do they use hoses provided by the airport's firebrigade? I assume there no such thing called a plane-wash as used for cars and trains? Also is there any additive added during the cleaning to strengthen the plane? And finally how many times a year does an aircraft actually get washed inside out?

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 09 May 2005, 21:04

A318 wrote:Besides that it is well known that a dirty plane uses more fuel (believe it or not!) then a clean plane due to aero dynamics.

Of course it does. But the very small increase in drag doesn't always justify the expensive washing !!! It's not only the "water and soap" which costs a lot of money, but you'll have to take the plane out of the circuit for a while and when planes have tight schedules this can be very expensive !!

Chris

A318 · Post by **A318** » 09 May 2005, 21:37

Captain wrote: Does anyone have any experience with flying Iberia long-haul? I have the impression they are not that good in economy compared to other European carriers?
Captain

Well Captain you said it all, I did flew with them from MAD to LIM vv and it was not a pleasant flight at all.
A lot of turbulence in that A340, cabin crew that was almost ready to retire and with a mood........just terrible.
I will only fly with them again if I have no other choice.

Erwin

A318 · Post by **A318** » 09 May 2005, 21:42

Vinnie-Winnie wrote:Since we are talking about clean and dirty planes, can anyone tell me how airlines clean their planes?

Here you can read a very nice article how airplanes are being washed:
http://www.mobileworks.com/airplane_dry_wash.html

A very funny one with picture:
http://www.ccsi.com/~mbrown/Email_Flots ... lanes.html

Greetz,

Erwin

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 09 May 2005, 21:51

A318 wrote: A very funny one with picture:
http://www.ccsi.com/~mbrown/Email_Flots ... lanes.html

That's a very funny picture indeed. That's how they wash the planes while doing a "soap" party in the hangars at night

OrientThai · Post by **OrientThai** » 23 May 2005, 19:27

What about this one 8O :

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/843505/M/

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 23 May 2005, 20:13

OrientThai wrote:What about this one 8O :
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/843505/M/

That one needs more than a wash...

B744skipper · Post by **B744skipper** » 23 May 2005, 21:23

Buzz wrote:
OrientThai wrote:What about this one 8O :
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/843505/M/
That one needs more than a wash...

I vote for a fresh paint!

A318 · Post by **A318** » 23 May 2005, 21:31

Buzz wrote:
OrientThai wrote:What about this one 8O :
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/843505/M/
That one needs more than a wash...

It is washed so many times that they polished the paint of it

Greetz,

Erwin

vc-10 · Post by **vc-10** » 27 May 2005, 20:53

Unfortunaly I don't think that many US mainstream carriers can afford to keep their planes nice and shinny.

stubbers · Post by **stubbers** » 28 May 2005, 09:14

Hehe, someone left it outside during a hailstorm

MrAirbus · Post by **MrAirbus** » 28 May 2005, 11:57

I read some year back that it’s not so easy to get huge aircraft clean after all the environmental rules and regulations, especially in Europe!
Smaller airlines, mostly charter carriers, had a hard task with the cleaning.

But what I have seen so fare during the years there are mostly lager carriers that for sure don’t seem to care about the looks of there planes!

Flying_Dutchman · Post by **Flying_Dutchman** » 28 May 2005, 13:24

OrientThai wrote:What about this one 8O :
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/843505/M/

ieuw... 8O This loooks more like the plane is damaged. I mean it, doesn't create much confidence by the passengers.

sacha · Post by **sacha** » 09 Jun 2005, 17:10

El Al a/c are always clean both from the outside and from the inside