baggage handlers

livin737 · Post by **livin737** » 21 May 2005, 23:58

we all know that we cannot travel without baggage handlers right?
well iv'e noticed that alot of baggages are going to wrong places
i'm searching for a solution for this problem

anyone wanna help make a solution

Advisor · Post by **Advisor** » 22 May 2005, 16:23

Travel light

stubbers · Post by **stubbers** » 23 May 2005, 09:23

I reckon someone has to invent an automated system, one that will deliver the baggage from when it leaves your hand to when you pick it up at the destination, without the need for outside assistance, it can't be that hard!

ryanvsnow · Post by **ryanvsnow** » 23 May 2005, 18:25

I tell everyone "Don't check a bag unless you have to." Hey we could build robots to unload the A/C.?

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 23 May 2005, 19:10

Advisor wrote:Travel light

Ya, this also something I find dishonest in airtravel:
People who travel light pay the same as the once with luggage, altough they not require the same service. And 'light' travellers are not prone to cause delays for 'late luggage'.
Instead of increase fares related to petrol in an linear way, I suggest fare should basically made for light travellers.
That is the basic contract: the passenger at 75 kilos + one bag in cabin at eg 7 kilo with limited dims(both pap & bag).
People who way exagerate weights of >90kilos would be weighed and pay a kilo/surcharge.
And ALL checked luggage should be weighed and paid for by the kilo and from the first kilo.

This would I guarantee you make people think twice about the (unnecessary) stuff they take along on airtrips - as they are anyway allowed 20 or more kilos-. The rate would be the common cargo rate, including an insurance.

Actually they light traveller pays too much. Why should he pay for services he NOT uses. I estimate the total weight of luggage on longhaul aircraft would diminish with 50% some few tons. Add this up on all the longhaul flight and these weights on the feeder flights, I think commercial aviation could save millions in USD of fuel, and in efficiency at checkins.

That's my solution, dear livin737 & forget the automated system, it cannot work worldwide, dear stubbers.

The mode of payment could be advanced paid vouchers*, or credit cards at check in. Easy nowadays.

*The passenger puts his luggage on some scales before he addresses the checkin, and ticks the destination on the screen, the automated teller, asks a credit card or local cash (Euros, USD etc) registers the payment and issues a voucher, with
Origin
Destination
Weight checked.

(Useless to mention payment as no voucher is issued if no payment is made. Strictly, no sponsor is needed, if regulation do require that. (eg The father pays for his daughter)

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 24 May 2005, 10:26

Paying from the first kg is ridiculous. Most suitcases alone weigh something like 5-7kg, that's without anything in them. Depending on the goal and destination of your trip, it is often already hard enough to fit everything into the 20kg limit. Yes you can take a bag instead of a suitcase, but that's hardly practical in a lot of cases.

I think if any airline tried charging for baggage like that, they would lose a lot of passengers. I know I wouldn't fly with them.

Real aircraft (A320

) use containers for baggage anyway, don't they? No stuffing things by hand. The problems arise when someone has to take the thing out of the container and put it somewhere else. Human error. You can limit those by making the system easier to use.

Last summer in Heraklion they managed to put a couple of tons of baggage onto our plane that belonged on another plane. I calculated that it would be approximately ALL baggage from the other plane if everybody had 20kg. Yes so they both were Transavia 73Hs going to Amsterdam, but still, how did they manage to put it in the wrong plane? If the whole loading process had been automated, it wouldn't have happened.

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 24 May 2005, 10:30

Oh, as to the whole 'travel light' thing: why should light travellers pay less? It's a matter of having to wait for your baggage to appear on the carousel versus taking less stuff with you. Would it be fair if you paid more AND had to wait longer?

concordino · Post by **concordino** » 24 May 2005, 12:08

@ livin737

I would be interested to see your sstatistics on "lost" baggage. How many bags are misplaced compared to how many checked etc.

I would hazard a guess that most bags go astray when there is a transfer involved, particularly if there are tight connection times. We, as passengers, can run faster between gates but bags have no legs (now there's an idea!!!) so rely on being offloaded driven and reloaded.

@SN30592

Now that is a real marketing idea - each pay for what we weigh. Bet in the US the figures would have to be upped a bit though as I guess 75 kg is a bit on the light side for the average traveller, whereas in your part of the world... Discrimination - not a very PC idea.

C

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chunk · Post by **chunk** » 24 May 2005, 14:22

Yeah...lets all travel light like they do in the Middle East, India and the US. This is where travelling light involves taking as large a piece of baggage as is humanly possible to carry on to the aircraft and then realising its an embraer, having to put it in the hold anyway. I really wish check in staff paid more attention to what people are carrying on....some of those bags are dangerously heavy - especially when they fall on your head!

Advisor · Post by **Advisor** » 24 May 2005, 14:50

chunk wrote:Yeah...lets all travel light like they do in the Middle East, India and the US. This is where travelling light involves taking as large a piece of baggage as is humanly possible to carry on to the aircraft and then realising its an embraer, having to put it in the hold anyway. I really wish check in staff paid more attention to what people are carrying on....some of those bags are dangerously heavy - especially when they fall on your head!

True to the last kilo

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 24 May 2005, 17:33

earthman wrote:Paying from the first kg is ridiculous. Most suitcases alone weigh something like 5-7kg, that's without anything in them. ....

I think if any airline tried charging for baggage like that, they would lose a lot of passengers. I know I wouldn't fly with them.

ridiculous???
Only because it is accepted that everyone has a so-called "free allowance" of 20 kilos, that the suitcases weigh that much.
The manufacturers of suitcases know that, weighing and paying checked baggage should make them produce something lighter eh less heavy.

If airlines would charge for baggage...?
Of course, it would not be by the airlines to decide that but by the authorities, in order to reduce the weight of the aircraft and so reducing the pollution.
earthman, you're maybe Dutch and that is what makes your suitcase so heavy: we know many Dutch take along cans of foodstuff, to eat in the hotel room at destination.
Well when this would have to be paid, they (&you?) would think twice.

By having the checked baggage paid, the airfare could be tremendously reduced, because aircraft handling costs would be reduced: only paid luggage would be handled as is only paid cargo, of course . And it would be much more honest: everyone would pay for what he gets.

Now I feel I'm paying for the superfluous weight of others (can of foodstuff, golf equipment etc). To me, free baggage allowance seems out of the time, it dates from the ocean steamers era. Out of time.

And Concordino, if 75 kg is a bit on the light side for the average traveller, I'm trying to loose some weight and would be happy to come close to 80kg.

Post by **sn26567** » 24 May 2005, 17:39

SN30952 wrote:Everyone would pay for what he gets.

The Ryanair philosophy in motion. Michael O'Leary has of course been thinking at that. Everything that can reduce costs is good for him.

But currently he seems to have abandoned the idea. It would be too unpopular!

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 25 May 2005, 00:35

Whether you travel by bus, train, boat or airplane, it is an accepted practice that you can take at least one piece of baggage with you for free, in addition to stuff you can bring along as hand baggage. I'm sure airlines would love to charge money for every breath you take on board of the plane, make you pay 5 euro for using the bathroom (sounds like something Ryanair would do), and demand an additional fee when you actually arrive where you wanted to go. Some things should just remain free. Even Ryanair lets you take 15kg of stuff with you.

And I don't bring canned food with me on holidays!

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 31 May 2005, 04:14

Remember what happened to Miss Schapelle in Bali?
A secret Australian Customs report found some airport workers had been involved in drug smuggling and stealing, while some could pose a terrorist threat.
The report details serious security breaches and illegal activity by baggage handlers, air crew, ramp and trolley workers, security screeners and cleaners.

Transport Minister John Anderson yesterday said the Federal Government had not seen the report, also denying the Customs report gave credence to claims by convicted drug smuggler Schapelle Corby that baggage handlers were responsible for drugs found in her luggage at Bali airport.

If Anderson is talking about Schapelle Corby as a convicted drug smuggler that leaves her not much hope... But what can she expect from a minister and a government that not reads reports, about drug smuggling stealing, terrorist threats at the airports....

Roque australian baggage handlers seem to have their hands 'free'? 8O

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 31 May 2005, 04:32

Workers at the nation's largest airport, including baggage handlers with high-level security clearances, have been involved in drug-smuggling and stealing from passengers, according to a classified Customs report that also suggests staff pose a terrorism threat.

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 31 May 2005, 17:53

Not entirely related, but I once got a package from California which had a big stamp on it saying 'Missent to Bangkok'. Didn't know Holland was in Asia...

flyingaround · Post by **flyingaround** » 01 Jun 2005, 10:57

concordino wrote:@ livin737

I would be interested to see your sstatistics on "lost" baggage. How many bags are misplaced compared to how many checked etc.

C

You can see some nice statistics (only

12000 bags a day in Europe from AEA airlines) on http://strike.skynetblogs.be scroll all the way down.

Peter

livin737 · Post by **livin737** » 06 Jun 2005, 22:23

story of livin's suitcase:
I was departing from o'hare to NRT=narita
but some how my baggage went to australia
so I called the airline thingy and they said
we are very sorry........but seconds later they said
to me that now its in paris !!!!!

de end

i'm gonna bring a backpack next time