SNBA looking into China

AirDupont · Post by **AirDupont** » 04 Apr 2005, 10:28

Word is that MR Rob Kuypers appearantly wants to start flights to Shanghai with his own aircrafts.
Also have I heard from some pilots that they're looking for new aircrafts...
Finally someone at SNBA who sees that China is the future...
Personaly, I don't think Hainan will ever come to BRU as they fly only within Asia, on the other hand they would be a great codesharing partner
Let's wait and see

fly · Post by **fly** » 04 Apr 2005, 10:57

let's hope they take a nice 747-combi

8)

SAA-SAL · Post by **SAA-SAL** » 04 Apr 2005, 10:58

Actually Hainan already fly to Europe : Budapest to be more precise. My friend living in Beijing took them to Budapest then connected with Malev to BRU.

maximenaeyaert · Post by **maximenaeyaert** » 04 Apr 2005, 10:59

What's your source? Because their are a lot of rumours.
greets max

AirDupont · Post by **AirDupont** » 04 Apr 2005, 11:09

They don't fly to Budapest ...at least that's what their website says

It's what I've heard from people in the office...Hopefully it's true

fly · Post by **fly** » 04 Apr 2005, 11:11

Say Dupont,

Are they still looking into the 747combi instead of the A330?

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 04 Apr 2005, 11:17

I don't think any plans have been made yet. Those are probably just rumours like all the others and very unlikely to happen..... But I admit it would be a smart move of SN.

Chris

Jense · Post by **Jense** » 04 Apr 2005, 12:21

'Rumours' (yes, again 'rumours' and no facts

) have been going that SN will add another A330 at the end of this year...

SAB021 · Post by **SAB021** » 04 Apr 2005, 12:31

Can an A330 fly non-stop to Shangai? I doubt it... But if they take an extra A330 in service, it'll probably be for an expansion on the African network.

Jense · Post by **Jense** » 04 Apr 2005, 12:39

SAB021 wrote:Can an A330 fly non-stop to Shangai? I doubt it...

Range of the A330-200 with full passenger payload is 6750 nm or 12500 km.
Range of the A330-300 with full passenger payload is 5650 nm or 10500 km.

Distance BRU-PVG is 4884 nm:
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=BRU- ... MAP-STYLE=

EDIT: changed the distance BRU-PVG to nm instead of mi. (Thanks to OO-VEX)

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 04 Apr 2005, 14:25

Yes Jense
Distance BRU-PVG is 5620 nm

Try this with the same distance.

You can cover all important hubs from EBBR with an A330, except Australia, NZ.

Opening a line to China, takes important efforts, that can only be made with a partner.
And why Shanghai?

SAA-SAL · Post by **SAA-SAL** » 04 Apr 2005, 15:26

AirDupont, I've just been on Hainan's website and they do indeed fly to Hungary!
It's not listed among destinations (don't know why) but if you look on the left side where it says "notice" you can find an article there.

Here is the link http://www.hnair.com/en/swindow/notice2.htm

Humberside · Post by **Humberside** » 04 Apr 2005, 16:48

SN30952 wrote:why Shanghai?

It is the economic capital of China where a lot of the heavy industry is and is home to a lot of the Chinnese HQ's of international companies that operate in China

Flying-Belgian · Post by **Flying-Belgian** » 04 Apr 2005, 17:13

Jense wrote:
SAB021 wrote:Can an A330 fly non-stop to Shangai? I doubt it...
Range of the A330-200 with full passenger payload is 6750 nm or 12500 km.
Range of the A330-300 with full passenger payload is 5650 nm or 10500 km.

Distance BRU-PVG is 5620 nm:
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=BRU- ... MAP-STYLE=

It depends which A333 variant you talk about. An A330-301 hasn't the same range capabilities as an A330-323X which is the most sophisticated variant. But the A330-301 has less payload restiction than an A330-323X. The same can be discussed about A340 variants.

FB.

TWA · Post by **TWA** » 04 Apr 2005, 18:33

These rumours about sn's expansion are also reaching the corridors of other airline companies. And I hope they are true: Belgian aviation is taking off again!!!!

OrientThai · Post by **OrientThai** » 04 Apr 2005, 19:32

Hainan is flying to BUD from PEK and is code-sharing with Malev on the route. I think HNA fly to BUD three times weekly.

http://www.malev.hu/bp/eng/I_FLIGHTCODESHARE_ENG/

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... entry=true

It would be great to see a Belgian airline flying to the Far-East again.
But if SNBA has plans to fly to PVG does that mean that HNA won't come to BRU?

Because HNA has serious plans to fly to Europe.

Jense · Post by **Jense** » 04 Apr 2005, 19:38

Flying-Belgian wrote:
Jense wrote:
SAB021 wrote:Can an A330 fly non-stop to Shangai? I doubt it...
Range of the A330-200 with full passenger payload is 6750 nm or 12500 km.
Range of the A330-300 with full passenger payload is 5650 nm or 10500 km.

Distance BRU-PVG is 5620 nm:
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=BRU- ... MAP-STYLE=
It depends which A333 variant you talk about. An A330-301 hasn't the same range capabilities as an A330-323X which is the most sophisticated variant. But the A330-301 has less payload restiction than an A330-323X.

Thanks for the info, F-B! I got this info right from the Airbus site so...

Post by **Bruspotter** » 04 Apr 2005, 21:00

Hello

The A330-300 can definitely fly non-stop to Shanghai.

On the (my) globe I have measured the distance with a chord and , the shortest way I measured is max. 9200km distance.

So the range of an average A330-300 is about that range , especially if the flight isn't totally full of pax.

So the A330-200 is a bit a more certain solution , so you have a lot of extra range...so it would be perfect to operate that route with the A330-200 or maybe even with a A330-300.

Range of 333 (normal version) is 8300-8600km (depending on engine type).
Longer range version (330-300X?????) has a max range of 10185km.
And the A330-200 has a max range over 12.000km max

So an extra 330 would be realistic.

But if they decide to choose the B747Combi they have an extra advantage.
They can carry much more cargo than in the A330-300 underdeck , and Asia is also a busy Cargo market.

But I also thing Beijing (Peking) , or even Guanzhou or Hong-Kong or something like that would be a good market. (Only speaking from China)

Best regards: Yannick

DannyVDB · Post by **DannyVDB** » 04 Apr 2005, 22:14

When they were speaking about a connection to China, they mentioned Hainan indeed and they mentioned three cities: Bejing, Shangai and Guangzou.

Maybe they will go for a mixed solution: Hainan to take Beijing and Guangzou and SNBA taking Shangai. Codeshare on each others flights. That would be great and smaller risk for both of them ...

I think the 330-200 is the better option, I think they want a certain margin

But let's wait and see what will happen.

Danny

sab319 · Post by **sab319** » 05 Apr 2005, 11:20

I don't see SNBA expand their ops soon...

They are very undecisive in my opinion, I'll only believe it when the first flight to china actually left...