Jet Airways to BRU ?

website-info · Post by **website-info** » 28 Mar 2005, 15:39

Hi All,

News from SAA is that Jet Airways are using CDG as a hub (so Air France - who are apparently a partner !) can gain further access to India. Jet will fly between 14 and 35 weekly flights to CDG with onward connections to 5 US cities and 2 Canadian ones. BRU may still feature in future plans - but of course they need more aeroplanes first !!

Seems ADP can offer more than BIAC-Oz in the end........

Tony

themole · Post by **themole** » 28 Mar 2005, 21:09

I can confirm that Jet Airways will disregard Brussels after all, in favour of Paris CDG. This makes Etihad Airways the only survivor in the endless rumours and speculations in regard to new long-haul Brussels operations. Take a look at my avatar to have an idea who could become the next big "Asian" player at Brussels Zaventem Airport ...

asianboy · Post by **asianboy** » 29 Mar 2005, 08:36

emirates

i hope it will be true 8O

Post by **sn26567** » 29 Mar 2005, 09:18

themole wrote:This makes Etihad Airways the only survivor in the endless rumours and speculations in regard to new long-haul Brussels operations.

There have been so many rumours and speculations about new long-haul players in the Brussels market that I will believe when I will see, e.g. in the Etihad timetable.

Advisor · Post by **Advisor** » 29 Mar 2005, 20:59

fftopic: Not Brussels but Singapore

Jet Airways announces its Singapore Schedule

Advisor · Post by **Advisor** » 29 Mar 2005, 21:07

sn26567 wrote:
themole wrote:This makes Etihad Airways the only survivor in the endless rumours and speculations in regard to new long-haul Brussels operations.
There have been so many rumours and speculations about new long-haul players in the Brussels market that I will believe when I will see, e.g. in the Etihad timetable.

IS EMIRATES, like ETIHAD GOING TO COME TO BRUSSELS TOO

fftopic:

I visited the global site of Emirates at http://www.emirates.com/index.asp

Then i clicked on traveller information

then i clicked on plan your travel

then i clicked on where we fly and came to a window which gave me an option to search Europe & USA. Here i noticed that all flying destinations by Emirates are marked in Red and the ones it plans to start are in white.

Geneva was marked in white and it plans to start the service on December 1st, 2005.

Hamburg too was marked in white and it plans to start the service on October 30th, 2005.

Sadly, I did not see mention of Brussels on emirates site anywhere. I think even Emirates is not planning to come to BRU lest is it is then why is it not mentioning it

x-prise · Post by **x-prise** » 29 Mar 2005, 21:10

Advisor wrote:fftopic: Not Brussels but Singapore

Jet Airways announces its Singapore Schedule

Jet Airways flying to singapore meaning a B737-800NG
i still have faith in EPS_Aviation that they are going to fly to Europe hopefully to BRU also included with CDG.

Advisor · Post by **Advisor** » 29 Mar 2005, 21:17

x-prise wrote:
Advisor wrote:fftopic: Not Brussels but Singapore

Jet Airways announces its Singapore Schedule
sorry advisor you seem to be losing your touch but if you scroll down you can find out about the aicraft flying to singapore meaning a B737-800NG
i still have faith in EPS_Aviation that they are going to fly to Europe hopefully to BRU also included with CDG so research as you tell others to do please im not tryin to insult you but youve messed up on a few things today.
And this is definetly not OFF TOPIC ok?

Most humbly, Respected X-Prise Please get the facts straight

When i wrote Not Brussels but Singapore was my way of suggesting that at the present moment 9W has released its schedule of Singapore. I did in no way either mean or suggest or even analyse that the information or idea of 9W going to BRU or CDG is either false or wrong.

I even mentioned it in my post that it is

fftopic: because it was schedule for Singapore and the topic post is JET AIRWAYS TO BRU.

Hope that clears some clouds and misunderstandings

x-prise · Post by **x-prise** » 29 Mar 2005, 21:22

fftopic: http://www.emirates.com/AboutEmirates/E ... 2PARIS.asp
perhaps emirates could begin a few flights from Pris perhaps but not direct to dubai unfortunately...

regi · Post by **regi** » 29 Mar 2005, 21:39

At last I join this lead. Forget about the Indians at Brussels, it won't happen. Jo'burg on the other hand is interesting. You see Cathay , Singapore, Thai, Malaysian, Quantas and some others (also ANA?)offloading passengers at Jo'Burg. What are those asians doing in South-Africa? It is the gold and the diamonds. While dad is in the mines , the daughters are shopping in Sandton City. (no, not socialising with the lads in Soweto )
I feel sorry for the southafricans who will have to endure the zigzag behaviour of the indians. They don't like them at all. The large indian community in SA has a negative reputation, don't do business with them.

What long haul in BRU concerns, please guys, we won't see anything, believe me. The Etihad lead was already too much wishful thinking. First the old boys network must be destroyed, than we can start from scratch.

The only long haul we keep are dodgy tour operators whose managment is doing a shuttle service between jail and court house. Their planes hover from the one quick fix to the other near disaster.

themole · Post by **themole** » 30 Mar 2005, 03:25

Advisor wrote:IS EMIRATES, like ETIHAD GOING TO COME TO BRUSSELS TOO

fftopic:

I visited the global site of Emirates at http://www.emirates.com/index.asp

Then i clicked on traveller information then i clicked on plan your travel then i clicked on where we fly and came to a window which gave me an option to search Europe & USA. Here i noticed that all flying destinations by Emirates are marked in Red and the ones it plans to start are in white.

Geneva was marked in white and it plans to start the service on December 1st, 2005.

Hamburg too was marked in white and it plans to start the service on October 30th, 2005.

Sadly, I did not see mention of Brussels on emirates site anywhere. I think even Emirates is not planning to come to BRU lest is it is then why is it not mentioning it

First of all, don't shout as I am not deaf. Secondly, congratulations with navigating and exploring the Emirates website. Geneva and Hamburg are indeed confirmed as new Emirates destinations, so are Seoul and Beijing, even though Beijing is not yet mentioned on the route map. So far for your route map theory.

By the way, where did I confirm that Emirates would open a Brussels station soon? I simply gave a hint, based on inside information. I think it is fair to say that "inside information" is an understatement in my case ...

Emirates is currently simply looking at Brussels, nothing more or less. Emirates could well be the perfect solution for the troubled long-haul traffic at Brussels Zaventem Airport. Via its hub Dubai, Emirates could offer excellent connections to many destinations in the Middle East, Africa, the sub-Indian continent, the Far East and Australasia. Emirates realizes this, let's hope BIAC realizes this too.

Of course, Brussels is - like every potential new destination - subject to an extensive feasibility study. Nevertheless, a few weeks ago, Brussels was mentioned for the very first time as possible new destination at the Emirates headquarters. It's a first and small, but important step. As usual, the biggest competitor of Brussels Zaventem Airport is Amsterdam Schiphol Airport. I can most certainly not confirm Brussels or/and Amsterdam as new Emirates pax destinations, but what I can confirm is that Emirates will make a surprising move on the Benelux market in 2006.

Unlike Emirates - who would mainly focus on Benelux feeder traffic -, Etihad Airways will mainly focus on Canadian O&D and feeder traffic. Brussels is only a stopover destination who comes in handy for several operational reasons, and can also generate some extra pax on various sectors.

A codeshare agreement between Etihad Airways and SN Brussels Airlines seems very likely, whereby the SN Brussels Airlines sales department would mainly focus on the Brussels-Toronto sector. This is no surprise, as Toronto has more than 5 million inhabitants and is the 3rd largest city in North America, after Mexico City and New York.

Etihad Airways is not the long awaited Asian partner of SN Brussels Airlines. Etihad Airways will most certainly help SN Brussels Airlines out wherever they can in Asia, but the Etihad Airways network is too limited to play an important role as main "Asian" partner. Emirates on the other hand is much more qualified. In my opinion, the key to Asia and beyond for as well BIAC as SN Brussels Airlines, is situated in the United Arab Emirates ...

Having said that, people in Belgium seem to be so incredibly desperate to have more long-haul traffic at Brussels Zaventem Airport, that everybody is focussing way too much on the long awaited arrival of Etihad Airways. I once more confirm the upcoming Etihad Airways Brussels operations, but please .... please ... try to be a bit more patient?

Anyway, since you are all so eager to welcome Etihad Airways in Brussels as soon as possible, I assume that many of you will fly Etihad Airways to Toronto and Abu Dhabi or beyond? I am really wondering how many of you will actually fly Etihad Airways, instead of always talking about them with so much disbelief that it makes me sick ...

I've had my say, full stop.

website-info · Post by **website-info** » 30 Mar 2005, 08:40

Well said Mole, I think we are reading from the same book. Seems alot of people here expect things overnight, without realising the planning that's needed.

Etihad will offer a greater network in years to come, so will EK. I for one have flown on EK from Europe to JNB and last week flew Qatar from Europe to JNB - even with a stopover their fares are sometime €300 cheaper and their service is second to none.

As for regi - do we really need these type of comments on here
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I feel sorry for the southafricans who will have to endure the zigzag behaviour of the indians. They don't like them at all. The large indian community in SA has a negative reputation, don't do business with them"

I'm in SA a lot and without the Indians a lot just would not happen

just my €0.02 worth

Flying-Belgian · Post by **Flying-Belgian** » 30 Mar 2005, 10:48

EK has applied for BRU-DXB slots as QR did. A friend of mine travel agent who received the visit of a QR salesman based in Paris was told that version.

This is just an "intox game" between the Gulf carriers to put pressure on each other.

The only real potential newcomer is and remains Etihad.
QR has upgraded his CDG service recently from an A332 to an A333X. EK has downgraded his service from a B773 to a B772.

No hope to see QR and EK "anytime soon" in BRU. To my big disapointment.

FB

RCV · Post by **RCV** » 30 Mar 2005, 11:14

Flying-Belgian wrote: EK has applied for BRU-DXB slots as QR did. A friend of mine travel agent who received the visit of a QR salesman based in Paris was told that version.

This is just an "intox game" between the Gulf carriers to put pressure on each other.
The only real potential newcomer is and remains Etihad.
QR has upgraded his CDG service recently from an A332 to an A333X. EK has downgraded his service from a B773 to a B772.

No hope to see QR and EK "anytime soon" in BRU. To my big disapointment.

FB

What about Amsterdam?

There is still no EK / QR (pax) here. I find it quite odd that they still not flying to AMS yet. Any news about that? Also no real Mid east airline, why not? Someone a clear answer for me?

MVG

RCV

asianboy · Post by **asianboy** » 30 Mar 2005, 11:26

gulf air will come maybe
http://bruairlibre.be/article.php3?id_article=794

regi · Post by **regi** » 30 Mar 2005, 11:46

When EPS is back in SA he can ask around about how the indian community is regarded by the SA business people. 2 subjects are very well known: new slavery in the garment industry set up just accross the borders in Lesotho. Even worse are the loan sharks from indian descent who use security firms to go collect money by force.
The remark about the indian reputation is based on what SA people (english whites, afrikaaner whites , coloured and black new empowered managment,...) tell me always by themselves each time I am in contact with them.
SA people don't regard this as a racial issue. They are very sensitive about this. They regard it as a treat to their vulnerable economy. Human resource managers dislike the fact that twice a month they are paid a visit by the local sherif who comes collect the salary of mostly unskilled labourers , ordered by court by the loan sharks.

I excuse myself to the group to have wandered away from the subject "airline industry"

LJ · Post by LJ » 03 Apr 2005, 16:41

There is still no EK / QR (pax) here. I find it quite odd that they still not flying to AMS yet. Any news about that? Also no real Mid east airline, why not? Someone a clear answer for me?

Forget about those airlines coming with pax aircraft to AMS. All slots gained by these airlines will be absorbed by yet another freighter service as the economics for freight are much better than the economics for a pax service ex AMS (lousy yield on pax). If it comes to a AMS/BRU showdown for pax service by these airlines I'll put my money on BRU...

Advisor · Post by **Advisor** » 04 Apr 2005, 08:07

So what is the verdict finally

RCV · Post by **RCV** » 03 May 2005, 11:08

Hello all,

"India¢s Jet Airways has selected Brussels as its European stop-over point for its planned services between Mumbai and the US city of Newark, and identified 23 June as the starting date.

Jet Airways will use Airbus A340-300E aircraft on the route configured with 38 business-class and 231 economy-class seats.

The carrier is arranging dry-leases of three A340-300E aircraft from South African Airways with which it will operate India-US and other long-haul routes. It will introduce the aircraft in May and June.

It will operate the Mumbai-Brussels-Newark service six times per week before increasing the frequency to daily later this year.

India and the USA signed an open skies air services agreement earlier this month. Jet Airways had been considering Amsterdam and Paris as well as Brussels as potential stop-over points for the new operation.

source: ATI

MVG

SFG

Post by **sn26567** » 03 May 2005, 11:22

This sounds like very good news for BRU.

But did Jet Airways change their opinion once again? I mean the stopover was initially in BRU, then in CDG, then in AMS, and now BRU again?