STRIKE INFORMATION MESSAGE - UPDATE
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1) REF: ATC STRIKE IN EBBU ACC (EXCEPT ELLX TMA).
SEE NOTAM EB A270/05
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2) VALID: 1030 UNTIL 1230 UTC
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3) TFC CONCERNED: ALL
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4) TFC ACCEPTED: HOSPITAL AND EMERGENCY FLIGHTS ONLY
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5) REGULATION(S): EBBUAL10
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6) REMARKS: DUE TO INDUSTRIAL ACTION EBBU AIRSPACE WILL BE
CLOSED TO ALL TRAFFIC FOR THE ABOVE PERIOD (INITIALLY).
AO'S ARE REQUESTED TO UPDATE FLIGHT PLANS ACCORDINGLY.
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FMD BRUSSELS
How does the new rule for refunds when your flight is cancelled/delayed apply to this? Is this only when the company is to blame (so not in this case) or will peepz get a refund?
The new EU-regulation states very clearly that there is no compulsary refund and/or no obligation to pay for drinks or meals. The airlines however have to assist the passengers (with UR - unvolontoury reroutings f.e.). Let's hope the airlines have more respect for those who pay our salaries then the few dozen of well paid people, drinking coffee now in their brand new tower in Steenokkerzeel.
English - French - Dutch :
(14) As under the Montreal Convention, obligations on operating air carriers should be limited or excluded in cases where an event has been caused by extraordinary circumstances which could not have been avoided even if all reasonable measures had been taken. Such circumstances may, in particular, occur in cases of political instability, meteorological conditions incompatible with the operation of the flight concerned, security risks, unexpected flight safety shortcomings and strikes that affect the operation of an operating air carrier.
(15) Extraordinary circumstances should be deemed to exist where the impact of an air traffic management decision in relation to a particular aircraft on a particular day gives rise to a long delay, an overnight delay, or the cancellation of one or more flights by that aircraft, even though all reasonable measures had been taken by the air carrier concerned to avoid the delays or cancellations.
(14) Tout comme dans le cadre de la convention de Montréal, les obligations des transporteurs aériens effectifs devraient être limitées ou leur responsabilité exonérée dans les cas où un événement est dû à des circonstances extraordinaires qui n'auraient pas pu être évitées même si toutes les mesures raisonnables avaient été prises. De telles circonstances peuvent se produire, en particulier, en cas d'instabilité politique, de conditions météorologiques incompatibles avec la réalisation du vol concerné, de risques liés à la sécurité, de défaillances imprévues pouvant affecter la sécurité du vol, ainsi que de grèves ayant une incidence sur les opérations d'un transporteur aérien effectif.
(15) Il devrait être considéré qu'il y a circonstance extraordinaire, lorsqu'une décision relative à la gestion du trafic aérien concernant un avion précis pour une journée précise génère un retard important, un retard jusqu'au lendemain ou l'annulation d'un ou de plusieurs vols de cet avion, bien que toutes les mesures raisonnables aient été prises par le transporteur aérien afin d'éviter ces retards ou annulations.
(14) Evenals in het kader van het Verdrag van Montreal dienen de verplichtingen die worden opgelegd aan de luchtvaartmaatschappijen die de vluchten uitvoeren, te worden beperkt of uitgesloten in gevallen waarin een gebeurtenis het gevolg is van buitengewone omstandigheden die zelfs door het treffen van alle redelijke maatregelen niet voorkomen hadden kunnen worden. Dergelijke omstandigheden kunnen zich met name voordoen in gevallen van politieke onstabiliteit, weersomstandigheden die uitvoering van de vlucht in kwestie verhinderen, beveiligingsproblemen, onverwachte vliegveiligheidsproblemen en stakingen die gevolgen hebben voor de vluchtuitvoering van de luchtvaartmaatschappij die de vlucht uitvoert.
(15) Er dient te worden geacht sprake te zijn van buitengewone omstandigheden wanneer een besluit van het luchtverkeersbeheer voor een specifiek vliegtuig op een specifieke dag een langdurige vertraging, een vertraging van een nacht of de annulering van één of meer vluchten van dat vliegtuig veroorzaakt, ook al heeft de betrokken luchtvaartmaatschappij alle redelijke inspanningen geleverd om de vertragingen of annuleringen te voorkomen.
We were caught up in this (I will write more details of the "fun" we had in my flight report).
We had just passed through passport control and into the departures area when we saw the notice about the strike up on the screen. There looked to be a VEX aircraft out by the fuel tanks which was towed away, and the first aircraft to get taxied away from the B terminal was a Turkish Airlines 737.
Sabena and Sobelair - gone but never forgotten.
Louise
The VEX 737 was doing high power engine tests, the crossing of F3, Y, and W is the designated enginetest position. Afterwards it was towed back to hangar 40/41 (technics).
And something else, how did you all react when you heard about the industrial action? (be honest now, first thing that came to you...)
Workers have a right to strike. But a wildcat strike, catching the innocent travellers unprepared, is unacceptable. If the strike had been notified a few days in advance, travellers could have taken appropriate measures.
How many business meetings have been cancelled, how many vacations have been spoiled by this action?
Maybe the strikers have valid complaints about their working conditions and salaries, but there are better ways to have them aired to the public.
Aldgate wrote:
And something else, how did you all react when you heard about the industrial action? (be honest now, first thing that came to you...)
You really want to know?
I said "thank you Belgocontrol" because anything which delays my return to this sh*tty hell hole of a town is very welcome. As it was, we had no delay at all
Sabena and Sobelair - gone but never forgotten.
Louise
Passengers are paying our salaries. ALL OF US should respect them, and specially those with the highiest salary (= except for cockpit crew).
I don't quite understand what you mean by 'except for cockpit crew'?
why don't they all look for another job then?
Because there is only one Air Traffic Service provider in Belgium?
sn26567
there are better ways to have them aired to the public
Well, as I understand it, there was an action during the official opening of the new tower but it was completely ignored... Maybe sometimes you have to act to be heard....
comet :
anything which delays my return to this sh*tty hell hole of a town is very welcome. As it was, we had no delay at all
Next time I'll try to influence the timing according to your requests
Why are they taking innocent travellers as hostage. There are definitely different ways to make your point. And it's not by "punishing" innocent travellers that you will solve the problems.
I agree with Avro, when one has a problem he should not try to solve it by placing the problem at other (innocent) people. There are indeed a lot of other ways to make a point, for example to go public with the things that bother you.
But who gives a damn, when they can't get it their way they start blackmailing their employer by going on strike.
I would have done it the Reagan way and would have fired everyone who was on strike (but do to legislation it won't be that simple I'm afraid). He replaced them then with others.
Then look who is in a stronger position:
- You, because you are on strike or;
- You, because you have lost your job and can't pay your bills;
It won't prevent chaos from happening, but at least people can't use strikes anymore to blackmail their employer.
As said by LX-LGX above, when you disagree with certain things on your job and can't solve the problems in a proper manner, than go and find another job.
How wild was this strike anyway ?. The airlines did know it in advance, look at United Airlines that made there flight depart earlier, and so did Delta, this was even announced the the passengers early in the morning. But both airlines didn't make it and stayed on the ground, just missed there new slot by a few minutes !.
Striking !, every time a handling company / ATC / Crew / and so on..... strikes, you read on this site for example : "These people should be fired" and "why don't they all look for another job".
It is everybody's right in Belgium to strike especially if your employer doesn't respect its employees. And don't you think a lot was done to avoid this situation ?. Not one union is going to expect an action like this one unless the situation is blocked.
You expect certain things from your employer and so do the Belgocontrol employees. The timing for this strike wasn't so bad, early in the morning would have been a bigger disaster. So the employees did make there point, and on top trying to discomfort as little passengers as possible.
And to former Sabena employees I can only say one thing. You guys did strike more than normal, effecting so many passengers more. So just swallow the bitter pill and let these people fight for what they believe is there right !.
I would have done it the Reagan way and would have fired everyone who was on strike
Oh well, that early 20th century solution would take us right back to the social setting of the industrial revolution where managers and owners do whatever is best for themselves by using the people who work for them as expendable currency.
If dialogue between management and representatives of the unions always ends in unfulfilled promises (or even worse, there is no real dialogue because one party just doesn't want to listen) then a strike won't solve the the problem but it can point a finger at the sore spots.
they really wanne kill brussels airport , no doubt about it , they wanne be out of a job and make the airport bankrupt so it can close down m i dont have any doubt somebodyof those noise strikers around the airport is working there ...
The purpose of a strike is to draw the attention. If nobody is hurt, nobody will notice it. Belgocontrol went on strike because they were still waiting for what was promised to them, FOR 3 YEARS.
For many people on the forum, aviation is just a hobby (mainly spotting), but for others it a living. Try to go to your bank and tell the manager he has to wait for 3 years before you can pay back your loan. Try to buy some food, a car, furnitue ............. and tell the people they cannot get their money .
I wonder you would still feel the same.
No hard feelings
motorcycling : sensation with a twist of the wrist
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