Do gay pilots fly like hetero-men or as hetero-women?

[SN30952]

I read this in a magazine:
That women cannot read maps, we knew already.

Now it appears that also gay men cann't read maps.
They would orientate just like women on landmarks, such as shops or a church.
Hetero-men have a more abstract navigation system.
A research team of the university of East London discovered this.
20 hetero-men & -women and 20 gays and lesbians were shown a route on map and were asked to memorise that route.
In the rendering it resulted that gay men used the same strategy as women. Lesbians showed no difference with hetero-women.

So these questions rose concerning navigation:
Do gay pilots fly like hetero-men or as hetero-women?
Do female pilots fly differently than male colleagues?



Note: The text is NOT mine, the questions are.

[JetB]

40 people and that is called a research !!!! Crap.......

We had a gay topic once and people did consider it to be fftopic: .

Sorry Fons I don't see the humor in this one, hope it is closed ASAP.

[Buzz]

Don't pilots just follow the GPS (or whatever they have) for their route?

ps: this topic belongs in the pub...

[SN30952]

40 people and that is called a research !!!! Crap.......
We had a gay topic once and people did consider it to be fftopic: .
Sorry Fons I don't see the humor in this one, hope it is closed ASAP.

Humour is in Luchtzak Pub, JetB.
This is a serious matter.
And it's good you point out that a university in this case the University of East London* comes with research results based on a test with a 40 people population.

One of their other researches was about: Do humans have some kind of homing instinct, possibly involving navigation by magnetism like certain birds do?
It looks they are testing a lot of subjects in the navigation area.

But I think it is useful that people who eg want to become pilot are informed about what is tested by some universities.
I want to draw attention to the fact that research in a university might influence some recruting objectives of the industry.
Your reaction shows, you, JetB, are already embarassed only by the question.
I remember the time when the visa application for the USA mentioned the question if the applicant was a homosexual. Can you imaging that one?
One wondered why that question was in the questionair even when one answered negative.

Imagine a pilot application form with that question?
Impossible in these times, we all agree.
But if the the recruiter was instructed to find out and that were a reason not to hire gay pilots? And that were influenced by such research...

And btw JetB, you should know I never joke with these kind of subjects, au contraire. My former (gay) colleagues can testify. So can female colleagues. May I remind you that I was the first to have a female african station manager?

*UEL is a modern, dynamic university at the forefront of academic innovation. It scored well in the 2001 research assessment exercise and has several departments rated excellent for teaching. Alumni

[JetB]

Dear Fons "embarrassed only by the question !", please don't judge a person to fast, you do not know me !.

Let me tell you, I am a very extrovert person and a lot has to happen before you can embarrass me.

Every day doing my job I have to deal with people ( and not 40 btw, but hundreds ), on top I have to dig in there personal lives / invading somebody's privacy !.
I don't think you can do that being introvert and embarrassed so fast !.

This topic is not relevant and should be closed.

[Comet]

That women cannot read maps, we knew already.

That is a load of rubbish - fact.

Also, this is a totally unnecessary topic which has no place on an intelligent forum.

[SN30952]

That women cannot read maps, we knew already.

That is a load of rubbish - fact.
Also, this is a totally unnecessary topic which has no place on an intelligent forum.

Then close it, I don't mind.
It is not me saying this, as I specified: the text is not mine. I read it.
Let's talk about disasters or beer, that are the most popular items anyway on this intelligent aviation forum.

[TWA]

I know straight pilots who can't read maps either......oh my God.....I guess they're gay too!


I think this so-called research s**ks :pang:


By the way I prefer a female flightdeck crew.

[SicilianFalcon]

Tell me about it ... Give us all female pilots and female service crew and all female flight attendants and make them nude for the purposes of my filthy 22 year old mind

Hey mr Playboy there is an idea, Surely it would get alot of male passengers ?

NUDE AIRWAYS main Hub Amsterdam or Berlin? haha

8)

[JetB]

Oh yeah female crew, fu** fu** fu**...... talk like that makes you so straight !.

For you pigs out there book a trip on www.hootersair.com

Administrator is this crap still not closed !.

[sn26567]

That women cannot read maps, we knew already.

That is a load of rubbish - fact.

It is a fact that the brain of a man is different from the brain of a woman. This influences the way of thinking, and men are better in reading maps than women (men also will not ask for their way and go to their map instead, whereas women will rather ask than rely on a map they can barely understand).

Also, this is a totally unnecessary topic which has no place on an intelligent forum.

And why not? The source quoted by SN30952 is absolutely serious.

[SN30952]

And why not? The source quoted by SN30952 is absolutely serious.

In an other paper I read also that women captains of industry have a different management style, and that most of these enterprises are prosperous. It was said that these women captains of I. pay more attention to detail and to her staff.
I'm sure you've read that too, I lost the link to that paper, sorry for that.

But my Q was: Do female pilots fly differently than male colleagues?
Underlying Q was: Is macho pilot behaviour, except from falling asleep ( flying), a reason for pilot errors?
I'm thinking about the Panam-KLM incident. The Birgen-case (although the Gen. Mgr of this airline was at that time a lady). The many 'macho' accidents in China Airlines, Thai Airways and others. Remember the TG Airbus that crashed after the pilot attempted 3, 4, 5 times to land in difficult conditions, or the KTM case.
Would women in such cases not suppress their ego?
Or would women in the MK Halifax case, not have said: This is too much.
Or would women take the same decisions as was the case last week with BA LAX-LHR 747 transatlantic flight on 3 engines?

[Comet]

(men also will not ask for their way and go to their map instead, whereas women will rather ask than rely on a map they can barely understand).

Andre - you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I have lost count of the number of times I have been stopped in Scarborough by male drivers who want directions to somewhere because they find the street map too confusing.

And if women are so bad at navigating and following maps and other things, how come women have sailed around the world single handed? How did women manage to fly aircraft to the front line in the second world war (and no one deny this because I know for a fact that they did) because they had no advanced navigation aids then.

And how come Amelia Earhart got lost ? Her navigator was male, and according to what you are all saying, he wold have been superior to her.

And how come you get women who are qualified cartographers?

And how come women can successfully complete land mapping and geography degrees?

And as for this rubbish that male brains work differently to female brains, alot of it is early conditioning. Boys are told that they will be better at DIY and practical jobs and various other things, and girls are expected to be prissy and just sit and play with dolls all day. But allow a girl to play with what you all consider as toys for boys, and they are just as technically capable and competent as any boy, I know that for a fact.

The only job a man can do which a woman cannot is father children.

[JetB]

This topic was locked before but somebody ( administrator ? ) did unlock it !.

I had a topic removed before because I mentioned that somebody died on a Thomas Cook flight to Brussels.
We like watching shows like Airport but this was just a little to much reality for the Luchtzak Elite !.

But this crap is ok !, in fact I saw a show on Vitaya TV that proved that women are better map readers than man !.

So what does this 40 people study proof, absolutely NOTHING !!!!!.

And why do some prefer an all female flightcrew anyway ?. I'm lost here, does flying have something to do with fucking ?. So does it matter who flys the AC ?.

Crap, administator shame on you....... This topic should be locked !.

[Comet]

I agree with you JetB. A study of only 40 proves nothing, considering that there are 54 million people in the UK, and they apply the results from 40 to the whole world population. There is some very bad science around and the fact that some people actually take this bad science to heart as well!

I think this topic should be locked owing to its provocative nature, it can only end up in back biting and nasty argument.

[JetB]

I also read that pilots from the 1960 crashed do to sucking eachother off, and not watching there instruments... Bad GAY MEN...bad bad....

[JetB]

I am only doing this because it is a pointless topic and the administator is not willing to lock it.

So why not talk about the mile high club, that is also aviation and great service for those card holders !.

So who had sex while flying, gay sex included....

[Avro]

First of all to those who want this topic to be closed, just don't read it anymore instead of writing the same thing reply after reply. sorry for being fftopic:

Now to get back to the topic let's try to answer SN30952's questions:

Do gay pilots fly like hetero-men or as hetero-women?
Do female pilots fly differently than male colleagues?

Whether gay or hetero, woman or man they all had to go through a very tough training which learned them the same procedures.
The job of pilot is very rational and to be honest I don't think that you can feel the difference of flying between a man, a woman, a hetero or a gay pilot. They all know how to use the navigation charts and they all know how to navigate with the instruments so I don't see how there could be any difference.

Now if an emergency situation arises one might think that they could have different behaviours. That's right but in my opinion everybody could have different behaviours and this has nothing to do with your sexuality.

Chris