Bush coming to Belgium in February 2005

Sterre · Post by **Sterre** » 22 Feb 2005, 16:07

I know rwy 2 is used when there's a strong northern or north-eastern wind.
For tomorrow they foresee a (N-NO ) northern or north-eastern wind of 3 to 4 Bft.
Is this enough to make AF1 take off from rwy 2 or is it possible to use 25L with 3 to 4 Bft ?

slipsnifter · Post by **slipsnifter** » 22 Feb 2005, 16:26

Sterre wrote:Me too. Although I 've never been to the Sandhills before. I usually go to 25L, at the road in Steenokkerzeel. Can you tell me how to get there ? Is it, coming from Steenokkerzeel centrum, passing under the tunnel and then somewhere to the right?

Thx.

Normally yes, but the tunnel is closed for a couple of weeks, you'll have to go around.

Post by **luchtzak** » 22 Feb 2005, 16:27

Sterre wrote:I know rwy 2 is used when there's a strong northern or north-eastern wind.
For tomorrow they foresee a (N-NO ) northern or north-eastern wind of 3 to 4 Bft.
Is this enough to make AF1 take off from rwy 2 or is it possible to use 25L with 3 to 4 Bft ?

Difficult to predict, most likely 02/07R will be used but 25L/25R can be used as well.

Flying-Belgian · Post by **Flying-Belgian** » 22 Feb 2005, 16:59

My bet goes to a 07R take-off...

Safety-wise it sounds as the most logical option.

FB.

RobinZartos · Post by **RobinZartos** » 22 Feb 2005, 17:02

I agree as what Flying-Belgian saied. Probably the AFO will take off on runway 07R. First reason : It is not a flight to america, and secondly if she climbs from runway 07R she will pass the less houses and industri.

Jense · Post by **Jense** » 22 Feb 2005, 17:26

RobinZartos wrote:I agree as what Flying-Belgian saied. Probably the AFO will take off on runway 07R. First reason : It is not a flight to america, and secondly if she climbs from runway 07R she will pass the less houses and industri.

Also the shortest departure to Germany, probably SPI or LNO

Aldgate · Post by **Aldgate** » 22 Feb 2005, 17:45

I heard on the news that Bush brought his own air traffic controllers...
Why the hell is that good for?!
Are the belgian traffic controllers not good enough?!!

Even if there were US controllers present, they wouldn't be allowed to handle the traffic in Belgian airspace. Every controller needs to be certified for his working position.
E.g.: moving from EBBR TWR to EBOS TWR requires a defined initiation period.
A tower controllers' license doesn't allow you to work at any tower, except the one you are checked out on.

btw, belgian controllers ARE good enough ....

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 22 Feb 2005, 18:27

i heard on the news that the landing clearance could only be issued by an American controller, thats why they were there.

Post by **Apuneger** » 22 Feb 2005, 18:48

Personally I think 07R will be used. Then we have 4 options:

* The spot along the trees at the RWY 02 threshold
* The sandhills
* The Refugee Centre
* The Kortenbergsesteenweg

Personally I'd prefer the Refugee Centre, but something tells me our friends from the police will keep an eye on that one. So if I count that one out, then the sandhills seem like a good option. I don't think he'll be rotating by then, not at all, but you should be able to see him rotate before he's too far.

Any update on AF1's STD/ETD?

Greets,
Ivan

Post by **Bruspotter** » 22 Feb 2005, 19:49

Hello

Apuneger:

Personally I'd prefer the Refugee Centre, but something tells me our friends from the police will keep an eye on that one. So if I count that one out, then the sandhills seem like a good option. I don't think he'll be rotating by then, not at all, but you should be able to see him rotate before he's too far.

I think so too. But when i arrive i have something more than an hour time to sketch the situation and to think about my plans. So i just check out if there is any police control, because if it's going to be 25L/07R i will be there if possible , else at the sandhills and my hope is still going for 02. At the treshold at those trees you mentioned (apuneger) you have indeed a remarkable sightseen.

So lets hope we find out wich runway he'll leave soon.

One more thing....does airforce one departs at the same runway as ALL aircrafts...because it that's so...than it probably will be 07R.

thanks in advance and regards: Yannick

AirforceNiels · Post by **AirforceNiels** » 22 Feb 2005, 19:55

and of course very important: at what time is he going to leave ? I think I'll be there around 7.40

What time will you be there guys ?

Robin_Bamps · Post by **Robin_Bamps** » 22 Feb 2005, 20:07

On the news they said "around 9:00".

Wait and see, I have school though

Regards, Robin Bamps.

Post by **Apuneger** » 22 Feb 2005, 20:32

Under the current wind conditions pax aircraft depart from 02/07R, cargo aircraft from 07L.

02 is mainly for US, UK and some flights to Holland, Denmark etc... Germany should be 07R however, this requires the least turns during the SID (if he doesn't get a direct clearance to OLNO for instance).

Greets,
Ivan

kier · Post by **kier** » 22 Feb 2005, 20:52

Hi all.

Can someone tell me how I do get at the refugee centre , because the tunnel is closed i've heard.

Thanks in advance.

KIER

fly744 · Post by **fly744** » 22 Feb 2005, 22:09

Following my Pics of AF1
May be not as nice as Brubiac but I am new in the Photo Business

Andries · Post by **Andries** » 22 Feb 2005, 22:16

fly744 wrote: Awaiting your comments

fly744, check your email.

If you want some extra tips on taking pics, just mail me back, ok ?

Greetz,

Andries

G-man · Post by **G-man** » 22 Feb 2005, 22:17

Not bad at all Fly744 !
I like the one in the snow behind the powersuply. Very film-like. Nice work, but can not open half of the rest of the listed pics.
Will post mine asap.

fly744 · Post by **fly744** » 22 Feb 2005, 22:18

Sorry guys, some pics deleted, so here the good ones !
http://members.airliners.be/displayimage.php?pos=-995
http://members.airliners.be/displayimage.php?pos=-997
http://members.airliners.be/displayimage.php?pos=-994
http://members.airliners.be/displayimage.php?pos=-993
http://members.airliners.be/displayimage.php?pos=-991

fly744 · Post by **fly744** » 22 Feb 2005, 22:31

Spotters that standed just after Abelag were send away today afternoon by Police around 3PM. I don't know if the films were confiscated but the ones with foreign cars had they ID checked !

Post by **Apuneger** » 22 Feb 2005, 22:52

Sorry to see they asked you to delete your pics Woodpecker. Nothing hazardous over there I think. But that's my opinion.

Anyway, seems like it's going to be fun tomorrow. I wonder what they're going to tell us today to get rid of us. Will we be standing too close to the fuel depots or will we be interfering with 'instruments'...

I still hope they'll allow us to take some photos. I think it's going to be 50/50...

Greets,
Ivan

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