Bush coming to Belgium in February 2005

Rago · Post by **Rago** » 20 Feb 2005, 13:55

killerwhale65 wrote:
SAB-OM wrote:put a lot of ducktape markings on the apron....
Whats that for?

so the ducks won't get lost!!!

Gerre · Post by **Gerre** » 20 Feb 2005, 14:14

Ok, I read the 7 pages and still I don't know for sure which runway AF1 will touchdown...

Where do you guys go?

Steenokkerzeel, the newly opened road to the new tower?

or

something else?

I'll be there at 20u I think...

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 20 Feb 2005, 14:49

President Bush has just left Washington ... http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02 ... cnn_latest

President Bush and first lady Laura Bush wave Sunday before departing Washington for Brussels, Belgium.

Post by **Apuneger** » 20 Feb 2005, 15:31

I don't know what RWY is currently in use for landings, but basically, for AF1 anything is possible I guess. I think I'll be heading for 25L if the 25's are in use for landings...

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 20 Feb 2005, 15:42

Airbus_fan wrote:they probably don't know a "follow me"

ssshhht, there could be a terrorist hidden in the follow me car

druptown · Post by **druptown** » 20 Feb 2005, 15:54

so, the guys who say that it will be melsbroek, are your sources reliable?
and the same quistion of course for the ones who say apron 3?

Post by **Apuneger** » 20 Feb 2005, 16:52

You can be sure that it's gonna be Apron 3. 2 independent sources have confirmed it.

Greets,
Ivan

SAB-OM · Post by **SAB-OM** » 20 Feb 2005, 17:12

at the moment 25R and 25L are in use for landing
sunday evening peak for departures, normally 25R is less used for landing
but BRU will be TEMPO closed so I don't think departures will be an issue

wind now is 31004KT TAF forecast being 34007KT
with the current weather it should stay 25L and 25R
with a possible request from them for rwy 02 (which I doubt - crosswind component is not that high)

so departure was about 1430-1500 belgium time
with a flight time of about 6-7 hours that should be an arrival between 2100-2200

at least they are dressed for the nice belgian weather

Jense · Post by **Jense** » 20 Feb 2005, 17:17

SAB-OM wrote:so departure was about 1430-1500 belgium time
with a flight time of about 6-7 hours that should be an arrival between 2100-2200

IAD-BRU is definatly longer than 6-7 hours flying I think...

slipsnifter · Post by **slipsnifter** » 20 Feb 2005, 17:26

druptown wrote:so, the guys who say that it will be melsbroek, are your sources reliable?
and the same quistion of course for the ones who say apron 3?

1. Melsbroek is NOT the destination of AF1. I know 100% sure that the arrival destination is EBBR (Brussels Int) and not EBMB (Melsbroek)

2. I can also confirm apron3.

Everyone who says something else, I'm very sorry, but your wrong. Trust me on this one.

Andrews Airforce base - EBBR is approximately an 8 hour flight.

druptown · Post by **druptown** » 20 Feb 2005, 18:34

I've calculated the flighttime for a 747 and I came up with a time 6h36min for andrews-brussels

C ya there lads !!!

AirforceNiels · Post by **AirforceNiels** » 20 Feb 2005, 19:02

Hi guys,
Can someone tell me where apron 3 is situated and from where you can take pictures :zoom 300 ?

Sterre · Post by **Sterre** » 20 Feb 2005, 19:07

Yes, I would like to know the above too!

Thx!

arthurv · Post by **arthurv** » 20 Feb 2005, 19:10

AirforceNiels wrote:Hi guys,
Can someone tell me where apron 3 is situated and from where you can take pictures :zoom 300 ?

I think Apron 3 is the one also known as "the satellite", close to where 25L en 02 cross eachother.

for a ground chart of EBBR from the flightsim community, see the pdf in

http://ivao.costes.net/files/ebbr_apdc1 ... 020321.zip

Sterre · Post by **Sterre** » 20 Feb 2005, 19:22

Ok, thanks for the info!

Although it seems very weird to me it would be Apron 3, as the plane would have to taxi a long distance to Abelag/General Aviation.

Jense · Post by **Jense** » 20 Feb 2005, 19:24

As above said, Apron 3 is located near the old Pier C. No much possibilities getting a decent shot of AF1 when he arrives.
Possible locations:
1. motorcross-circuit near 02
2. sandhills (with monster-zoom)

Both will need 500mm I think to get quite a close shot. 8th floor will be unaccessible I suppose...

Flying_circus · Post by **Flying_circus** » 20 Feb 2005, 19:35

Just heard on 5616 17:08 at 30W,

AIRFORCE 01 AKFP = 82-8000 VC-25A

Following AIRFORCE 01 and heard on 5616 17:16,

SAM 94 = MSFP 99-0004 C-32A

Credits: UKAR messageboard

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 20 Feb 2005, 19:38

@Flying_circus: based on that information, do you have an ETA for BRU?

I don't know where this person picked up the signal of AF1, so...

Thanks!

Flying_circus · Post by **Flying_circus** » 20 Feb 2005, 19:41

I've got no idea about arival times either, but they departed around 1500 GMT, so that's + 7 or 8 and -1, so it will probably arrive around 2100-2200 local Brussels time.

EDIT: AF 1 was working Boston center this afternoon at 1320zulu (Brussel timezone seems more logically to me), SAM 94 was a few minutes in front of him. (credit: Scramble)

According to the ReachHunters-list, Bush departed arround 13.55h (perhaps zulu??) from Andrews AFB.

Based on all this information and the normal jetstream, I would say they arrive around 2100 Brussel time.

SAB021 · Post by **SAB021** » 20 Feb 2005, 19:47

They said on the VRT News that he will arrive around 21.00h. And the plane will certainly park at apron 3, cause you could see on TV that the limousines and camera trucks are already standing there...

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Bush coming to Belgium in February 2005

So what now?